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Transformer Oil BDV Value Changes

10/10/2010 12:16 PM

Before maintenance we take BDV (2.5 mm) test of transformer Oil. It was 60 KV/min (Average of three readings).

We take out the oil from transformer and heat the oil (in 6 Drums each of 200 Liter Approx)) for 48 hours. During these hours Temperature of the oil (within Drums)was within 75 - 85 Centigrade. At 75 C after 48 hours we take BDV test of the oil and the result was on average about 70 KV/min (Average of Three test). We seal the Drums and left them to Cool down to 25 C.

We put oil (Oil temperature 25 C) it into transformer. Again we take the test and its BDV test valu of 17 KV/min have come.

This situation has happen to us twice.

What is the reason behind this of so much Low BDV value when we put oil in transformer?

Should we put oil in transformer at 75 C instead of 25 C?

Transformer Name Plate:Rectifier Equipment norm VDE0146

( Supply Side : Uln 400 V, Iln 403 A, F1 50 Hz, Power 160.9 KVA)

(Utilization side: Upo 125 KV, Idn 1.3 A, Form Factor 1.4, Power 126.5 KW)

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Re: Transformer Oil BDV Valu Changes

10/10/2010 3:22 PM

when working in the steelworks, we had a similar problem. Can't remember the solution but I do remember we contacted Shell Oil who were VERY helpful, give them a try.

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Re: Transformer Oil BDV Value Changes

10/11/2010 12:05 AM

I guess your problem relates to sludge settled at the tank bottom.

An oil cleaning plant consists of heaters as well as filters to extract sludge, your method is non-standard.

There is nothing wrong if you put oil in transformer at 75 deg C.

It seems you are extracting oil sample from the drain plug, drain a bucket of oil before taking sample or more appropriately take sample of oil from the bottom of tank by inserting a tube from the top,

As per IEC, six samples are tested, neglecting the first one, average of 5 readings is taken and if the value is 50 kV or more there is no requirement for any treatment (why you have done at 60 ?).

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Re: Transformer Oil BDV Value Changes

10/11/2010 12:26 AM

You are following a wrong system

1.You have not specified the rating of your filter machine.

2.From the size it does not appear the transformer needs 6drums the oil capacity may be only max 200litre please clarify.

2.Let us assume you have got a 1200litre/hr capacity filter machine ,and transformer oil capacity 1200litre.

3.In such cases you need to filterr each drum for around -1hr only at temp-70degree C,at vaccum -760mm Hg and this is extremely important.and after this check BDV you will get the value.

4.After completion of filtration of six drums you have to start filling of oil in hot condition , after filling up oil from the top,you have to start filtration of the entire unit as below.

In the beginning start with suction pipe at the transformer bottom and delivery pipe at the top for1 hour or ,one cycle of filtration at temperature 70Deg-C at vaccum -760mmHG.

After one cycle reverse the piping ,ie suction at the top and delivery at the bottom with same temperature and vaccum,and continue atleast two cycles.

Measure the Oil BDV and also measure PI ie R10/R1-The Pi must be greater than1.3 and BDV of 5average test at gap-2.5mm should be >= 70KV.

Hope this will settle your problem.

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Re: Transformer Oil BDV Value Changes

10/11/2010 4:07 AM

Dielectric mass mention on the nameplate is 883 Kg. Approximately it took 5 Drums.

We are not filtering the oil. We want to heat the oil, Bring its BDV valu to the required level and then put it back to the transformer.

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10/11/2010 4:17 AM

BASICALLY WHAT U CALLED HEATING IS NOTHING BUT PASSING OIL THROUGH A CENTRIFUGE AND HEATING AND VACUUMING AND WITHOUT VACUUMING YOU CANNOT REMOVE MISTURE AND OTHER IMPURITIES FROM OIL BY ONLY HEATING.

THIS IS APPLICABLE FOR DRUM TO DRUM FILTRATION ALSO.

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10/11/2010 4:32 AM

As at present we don't have any filteration equipment and oil is at present at 75 C in drums. Can High BDV (>60 KV) can be achieved without filteration at that moment.

What do you recommend

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10/11/2010 5:19 AM

AS PER IEC THE TRANSFORMER OIL CANNOT BE DRIED ONLY BY HEATING,AND BY HEATING AT HIGHER TEMPERATURES GREATER THAN 70DEG CENTIGRADE YOU ARE AGEING THE OIL AND AS PER IER DRYING AND REMOVAL OF MOISTURE IS NOT POSSIBLE WITHOUT A FILTER MACHINE.

APART FROM THAT BY USING A FILTER MACHINE AND FILTERING THE WHOLE SYSTEM IE TRANSFORMER YOU WILL BE ABLE TO REMOVE THE EMBEDDED MOISTURE OF THE TRANSFORMER WINDING ALSO ,OTHERWISE THERE MAY AND WILL BE INTERMITTENT AND UNPREDICTABLE FAILURE.

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Re: Transformer Oil BDV Value Changes

10/11/2010 10:13 AM

It may be that water/moisture is migrating out of the transformer insulation as it cools and affecting breakdown voltage. Give the transformer about 3 days to heat back up and drive the moisture back into the paper. Then take your sample. Include a moisture test such as D-1533B and compare all samples, hot and cold, to see if my suggestion "holds water". Dissolved gas tests are also very useful to diagnose your transformer's health.

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Re: Transformer Oil BDV Value Changes

10/13/2010 3:43 AM

Mr. Aghvel Niazi,

As rightly pointed out by Mr. S. Bhattacharya, you are following an absolutely wrong procedure to improve the BD value of transformer oil. You will never achieve the desired results in this way. Your oil is badly contaminated with water. The way you are heating it is further accentuating the problem. You are heating it to 75- 85*C. What is happening is that the water in the oil is getting evaporated. Some of it gets collected at the top of the oil and some remains within oil in the form of bubbles. That is why you get improved BD value at 75*C. As soon as you bring down the temperature to 25*C, the entire vapour and bubbles gets condensed back into water thereby rendering the entire oil as it was rather worse than it was.

Follow the procedure as explainded by Sh. Bhattacharya or else transformer windings will also get badly affected besides rendering the entire oil useless.

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Re: Transformer Oil BDV Value Changes

10/14/2010 7:15 AM

as suggested by mr bhattacharya please do the filteration online albeit with a lesser capacity filter machine. thiswill remove moisture trapped inside the transformer housing and also sludge etc.

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