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Schematic Educational Material

12/19/2010 10:00 PM

Could anyone give me some guidance on good educational material, in schematic reading, more importantly, transferring from schematic to the physical of pcb or other medium, I done my amazon search for books, it is difficult to discern whether or not i'm going to get the info I am looking for out of it. thanks

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12/20/2010 10:36 AM

Transferring from schematic to PCB, well to some extent it all depends upon how you do it. Sounds like a worthless answer? Well, it is and it isn't.

Once upon a time we would "design the copper" by looking at the schematic drawing and placing black tape (typically from Bishop Graphics) onto about 8-10 mil clear plastic. Typically black was where we wanted copper and clear was where we didn't. We had little black circles with a sticky back that we called donuts. They were used to graphically represent the copper pads.

This tape job was usually done at 4X but could be done at any scale desired since it would be reduced by a camera.

At times we would tape a negative, clear was to be copper and black was to be free of copper. This was most commonly done on inner layers of 4+ layer boards. The two main reasons for doing the inner layers negative were 1) inner layers have lots of copper and the tape was expensive to purchase and expensive to pay someone to stick it down and 2) we needed to see through the layers and taping everything black prevented this.

I don't know for sure, but I suspect Bishop Graphics is probably gone by now. The shop that used to photograph my artwork is long gone. Now it is all done on computers.

There are computerized packages running from free to US$60,000 per seat or more.

I suggest you take a look at Eagle. They have a package that is medium to high end for hobby work and good for small to medium size commercial work. It is a good package and a very good education of how the "big boys" do it. Best of all, for small boards it is free for non-commercial work. They are at http://www.cadsoftusa.com/. If you have a big project with lots of demanding specifications then you need to use the very expensive tools (and trained PC layout people). But to learn and do small projects Eagle works very well.

Note that Eagle does a very good job of keeping the schematic and board design tied together. Click on a component in the schematic and it will highlight in the board design. Some of the low end packages don't do this.

There are other packages out there and some are free. In the Linux community there are several offerings. I suspect some of the commercial packages still have either free versions or 30 day free trials. PADS and PCAD come to mind. To get started learning my suggestion is Eagle. It is legally free, no time bomb and there is a lot of power there. The user interface has a few things that seem like an odd way to do things, but it is documented pretty well. The free version does have some limits on the size of the project, but they will not be a problem for "learning" and "getting started" projects.

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12/20/2010 2:33 PM

Hey bruce/florida, that was a pretty in depth answer, i think I probably didn't pose my question clear enough. I was basically asking for some direction on reference material relating to reading schematics and accurately transferring them to breadboards, circuit boards, ect. The use of the PCB, was probably a bad choice. Thanks for answering, and I still learned something I didn't know from your reply. thanks

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12/20/2010 11:46 AM

Here's a site I've used a time or two.

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12/20/2010 2:39 PM

Thanks for that link, I scan a number of different sites for different takes on different aspects on electrical and em theory, any new site to go through is always welcome. thanks j. floyd

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12/21/2010 12:01 AM

How about developing your schematics, plan them into form and put them into this which I use when I need a pcb. www.diptrace.com You develope your board as a schematic, lay it out, connect your ponts and let the program deal with it and lay it out. I used to make my own boards, etching fluids, and oh what a mess. Nothing like having an engine block on the kitchen table one day when my wife came home. Oh my , that was quite a day in deed... Still recovering , been 30 years and still hear about it... Many PCB's on the table, never hear a word. What's the deal? PCB, engine block? What's the difference?

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12/21/2010 3:21 PM

I have a friend who's wife of 40+ years still informs the world of him rebuilding a car engine of the kitchen table. He did this just after the honeymoon.

He, like I, still do not what the problem was. Things needed fixing.

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12/21/2010 3:40 AM

I use this in my design work. Not the most intuitive software, but once you learn it.. Great! and the price is also good.

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12/24/2010 8:26 AM

Eagle appears to be a very good, reasonably priced solution for taking a schematic to PCB, but I get the impression that the OP is more interested in basic circuit design, for which there are several SPICE based (simulation) solutions, some very sophisticated and free (I use an older version of Multisim on my older Windows machine, and gEDA on my Linux machine for exploring electronic circuits). Disclaimer- I use electronic simulation software at the education/hobby level, and a real EE may have more sophisticated requirements than what I suggest. A very, very good resource for learning basic electronics is http://www.allaboutcircuits.com/ The six-volume resource can be downloaded as *.pdf files. Simulation packages generally require parts libraries, which are generally available from electronic manufacturers for free. Keep an eye on my Open Source blog for a more complete analysis of what is available in the Open Source community, to be coming in the near future...

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12/21/2010 5:34 AM

Try running through Jaxy's series of electronics for beginners:-

http://cr4.globalspec.com/blogentry/9633

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12/21/2010 6:57 AM

If all your doing is trying to learn this process and pass along the knowledge gained to others, then go to Radio Shack and have a look at some of the materials they have in the store and online. They have had over time kits to make PCB units etc. Good resource. Have fun, its always nice to learn and then pass it on.

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12/21/2010 2:06 PM

CAD/CAM. JAVA is being used now because it's easier.

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