One Column is Better than Two?

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CowAnon Guru Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 757 Good Answers: 12	One Column is Better than Two? 01/09/2011 7:21 PM
	When reviewing (or posting) a thread starter posting, one must scroll up/down to select the CR4 section, before continuing with edit or submittal, which can be bothersome, especially if up-downloaded graphics are involved. Looking at the now-greatly-extended length of the CR4 section listing, and at the bountiful column space to the right of that section option listing, is there any reason that the section listing cannot be presented in two (or even three) columns ... so as to keep the text composition/edit frame on screen (or nearly so, depending on monitor) along with the CR4 selection list? I know it's not much, but it might be welcome by others, too, especially those who, like myself, have seen the angst-avoiding wisdom of disabling touch pad scroll in preference of the older, on screen scroll facility. Thanks for considering ....
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JohnDG Guru Join Date: May 2006 Location: Reading, Berkshire, UK. Going under cover. Posts: 9684 Good Answers: 468	#1 Re: One column is better than two? 01/09/2011 7:49 PM
	Must confess it doesn't bother me much. I only start a new thread a couple of times a month, or maybe less. If I did it every day, it might be an irritation. Haven't checked your stats - how often do you start a new thread? __________________ "Love justice, you who rule the world" - Dante Alighieri
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CowAnon Guru Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 757 Good Answers: 12	#2 In reply to #1 Re: One column is better than two? 01/10/2011 4:36 AM
	Somehow I was anticipating that kind of "why bother" reply. I, too, must confess that I've been away for a time, so it's not that the nuisance factor has become intolerable—for me either; it's mostly that, when posting anew I noticed what seemed to be a much longer category listing than was once the case. Maybe not that long, but long enough to make posting a bit more cumbersome, especially on small monitors on notebooks and smaller ... machines. So your point of contention, though not without fallacy as a reason not to improve the site to give it a modicum of additional convenience, is well taken to mean: if not easy, then why; if easy, then why not? I do not remember if you are among the insiders - the official moderators - here: so cannot judge by your reply what might be the technical "cost" of such a change. But, such a format change would not seem, on first glance, to be a major undertaking, whether it proved beneficial to few or many, now or eventually. Thanks for your input . . . and for helping get the "I'm okay why not you" bone of contention chewed early on.
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JohnDG Guru Join Date: May 2006 Location: Reading, Berkshire, UK. Going under cover. Posts: 9684 Good Answers: 468	#3 In reply to #2 Re: One column is better than two? 01/10/2011 5:07 AM
	Just FYI - I have no connection with CR4 other than being an ordinary member. I agree that if it's a simple change, then why not? - but I understand that the availability of software design time for CR4 is very limited, so maybe there are more important issues(?). I believe that the admins are compiling a "wish list" - maybe your proposal should go on it. __________________ "Love justice, you who rule the world" - Dante Alighieri
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Garthh Guru Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mariposa Ca Posts: 5800 Good Answers: 114	#4 In reply to #2 Re: One column is better than two? 01/10/2011 11:54 PM
	I have no connection to CR4 just another member we are but a minor blip in the global spec universe, just a way to round out the package anytime OBO [our benevolent overlords] bother to reply to a request for a feature or minor enhancement, the reply is always that programming hours are expensive. Mgaulin is busy with the online events I'd be real happy if I could post a picture using Chrome & all the apple users using safari would be equally tickled to have a editor bar All that aside welcome back :D [no smilie's either :( ]
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SavvyExacta Guru Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NY Posts: 2313 Good Answers: 59	#5 Re: One Column is Better than Two? 01/11/2011 7:33 AM
	As other users suggest we really don't have much of a budget (okay, no budget) to implement big changes to the site's features. I hate to be as blunt as "take it or leave it", but hey, CR4 is free after all. I suppose we could start charging and then perhaps we could begin implementing some things. All kidding aside, as a Chrome user myself, I simply hit the 'View Page in an IE Based Tab' add-on when I want to post. Then the toolbar and other features work properly. Hitting the lower 'X' in the upper right brings me back to Chrome when I'm done. To answer CowAnon's original question: I suppose the edit screen could appear in two columns... however, I also imagine some people might not "see" the items in the second column. When I page-down from the text entry box all of the forum selections appear on a single screen. This probably displays differently on just about every monitor. Many users are too lazy to put their threads in anything outside the General Discussion anyway and the moderators have to readjust as time allows.
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Anonymous Poster	#6 In reply to #5 Re: One Column is Better than Two? 01/11/2011 8:06 AM
	Typical response from Admin. They are too busy implementing censorship to be bothered about improving the site.
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SavvyExacta Guru Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NY Posts: 2313 Good Answers: 59	#7 In reply to #6 Re: One Column is Better than Two? 01/11/2011 8:16 AM
	I'm sorry you feel this way, Guest. Please understand that the CR4 moderators have no control over the programmed features of the site. Just as you wouldn't write to Microsoft and expect the company to customize its software for you, GlobalSpec isn't going to make lots of changes to CR4 any time soon. We can offer support and some work-arounds on the existing features. The moderator team also has certain editorial guidelines we must adhere to. They all came with the job. We've made some changes over the past several months to accommodate the needs of the users, but in general, moderating is a function of almost every site that allows public posting.
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SavvyExacta Guru Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NY Posts: 2313 Good Answers: 59	#13 In reply to #7 Re: One Column is Better than Two? 01/11/2011 12:30 PM
	I'll admit I strayed off-topic on this thread. It is a discussion about a particular feature and I went a little too far in my explaining why most suggested features aren't adopted. This thread is not a rant on Guests vs. registered members. We already have plenty of those and if this becomes another one it'll be closed.
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Doorman Guru Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Yellowstone Valley, in Big Sky Country Posts: 7425 Good Answers: 295	#8 In reply to #6 Re: One Column is Better than Two? 01/11/2011 9:24 AM
	I would be curious, dear Guest... just how many times have you been censored? Perhaps if we could all just play nice, the moderator and Admin teams would have more time to effort other projects. We will see if your response to this comment requires moderation. __________________ Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
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Anonymous Poster	#10 In reply to #8 Re: One Column is Better than Two? 01/11/2011 11:34 AM
	No moderation required for any of my posts unlike certain "respected" registered members. We all recognise the purpose of your post.
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Garthh Guru Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mariposa Ca Posts: 5800 Good Answers: 114	#11 In reply to #10 Re: One Column is Better than Two? 01/11/2011 11:43 AM
	Being a "Guest" [anonymous coward] you represent the most prolific & also most censured member on the site....
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Anonymous Poster	#18 In reply to #11 Re: One Column is Better than Two? 01/12/2011 5:45 AM
	Thank you VisiGuest, oh sorry I mean Garthh (it just so difficult to tell you apart ) for your valued input . Name calling is not really helpful to anyone so perhaps this is something that you and others could take on board when posting in the future. I believe that tolerance for others is required when posting on forums like this, an excellent forum and Admin do a great job.
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Garthh Guru Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mariposa Ca Posts: 5800 Good Answers: 114	#20 In reply to #18 Re: One Column is Better than Two? 01/12/2011 11:11 AM
	when you can't be bothered to register or choose to post as Guest [Aguest] you get all the baggage of that In earlier days when you posted anonymously, you were listed as Anonymous Coward, which seems fitting
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Anonymous Poster	#21 In reply to #20 Re: One Column is Better than Two? 01/13/2011 2:27 AM
	Garthh/ VisiGuest, nice to hear from you. It is nice to see that you still remember me with loving affection and that you miss our interactions (non-physical I would like to point out, perhaps which is why you are so frustrated). Would you be so kind (for you are a kind and compassionate human being) as to ask Admin to re-instate my posting rights then I could sign in when I post. FYI I think that Admin do a great job and should be congratulated, they make me proud to be human -now surely that is enough to get my posting rights re-instated, what do you think? Do you think I have changed from being a good person into a great person?
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Garthh Guru Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mariposa Ca Posts: 5800 Good Answers: 114	#22 In reply to #21 Re: One Column is Better than Two? 01/13/2011 2:52 AM
	I call an Anonymous Coward An Anonymous Coward[guest] The rest is between you & the moderators... the head moderator is on this thread
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Anonymous Poster	#23 In reply to #22 Re: One Column is Better than Two? 01/13/2011 5:45 AM
	Garthh/ VisiGuest, sorry I thought that you were the head moderator . I wonder if I was the only one to have made that mistake? As I said in an earlier post, name calling does not help anyone so please refrain from such bad behaviour in the future - you are only letting yourself down by engaging in such childish name calling activities. I was not judging you when I pointed out that you have feelings for me, so I am sorry if that embarrassed or offended you. The card and present that you undoubtedly sent me for the holiday season (see, once more I am showing you how politically correct I am) has still not arrived, perhaps you might want to look into where it has gone. Can we be friends again?
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Doorman Guru Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Yellowstone Valley, in Big Sky Country Posts: 7425 Good Answers: 295	#12 In reply to #10 Re: One Column is Better than Two? 01/11/2011 11:57 AM
	Fair enough. If you are doing you part to play nice (which you are doing here, this is a good discussion), you and I are doing all that we can to free up the mod team for other tasks. If other Guests and members (I agree with you, there are some rather snarky, argumentative members) would do likewise, the purpose of the forum would be better realized. I believe mean spirited discussions or comments add nothing to the forum at large, and I generally (not always, but generally) disregard or ignore them. __________________ Semper Ubi Sub Ubi
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Garthh Guru Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mariposa Ca Posts: 5800 Good Answers: 114	#9 In reply to #5 Re: One Column is Better than Two? 01/11/2011 11:22 AM
	That would work if I were running windows... The online events don't work in chrome either operation of the site is problematic with smartphones too The issues aren't limited to CR4, they also affect GS. I'm sure at some point as the Chrome operating system gains some market share GS/Cr4 will move into this part of the century :D
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SavvyExacta Guru Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NY Posts: 2313 Good Answers: 59	#14 In reply to #9 Re: One Column is Better than Two? 01/11/2011 12:35 PM
	In the course of my job (I do other work outside CR4) I view lots of websites each day. There are a good number that are only compatible in IE - they simply don't show up in Chrome. So we aren't alone in this problem. Luckily, CR4 also works in Firefox, which gives you a second option. When CR4 was built Chrome didn't exist yet. Smartphones weren't widely used, either. I imagine at some point CR4 and related sites may work in Chrome, but I can't say if/when they will - I just don't know. I can say I would like it, too.
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Garthh Guru Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mariposa Ca Posts: 5800 Good Answers: 114	#15 In reply to #14 Re: One Column is Better than Two? 01/11/2011 1:17 PM
	Which sites are those? the apple users are equally neglected
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SavvyExacta Guru Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NY Posts: 2313 Good Answers: 59	#16 In reply to #15 Re: One Column is Better than Two? 01/11/2011 2:25 PM
	Sites that relate to GlobalSpec's audience - so, engineering, scientific, and technical. Chrome's share of the market may be growing but Internet Explorer and Firefox still account for over 3/4 of the market as of December. The next biggest block is Chrome at 13% and as I mentioned there is an add-on that makes it easy to use CR4 normally. As with anything in life, it's impossible to please everyone. The number of users that can use CR4 without problems outweighs the number that are impacted without possible workarounds.
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Garthh Guru Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Mariposa Ca Posts: 5800 Good Answers: 114	#17 In reply to #16 Re: One Column is Better than Two? 01/11/2011 10:33 PM
	Here's some statistics, that is probably a bit more representative of reality & the future http://www.w3counter.com/trends I go to lots of sites too, they all work with chrome
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SavvyExacta Guru Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: NY Posts: 2313 Good Answers: 59	#19 In reply to #17 Re: One Column is Better than Two? 01/12/2011 5:45 AM
	That site shows the IE/Firefox share at 71.7% in December vs. the Wikipedia page at about 75% - my estimate is pretty close. It also shows Chrome at 13.5% which I believe I mentioned in my earlier post. I guess we don't visit the same websites. :)
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