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Need Answer - Tank Questions

01/18/2011 1:41 AM

What is the purpose of tank internal coating and name one of them?

What is the purpose tank dyke and its capacity?

What is the purpose tank grounding?

What is the purpose cathodic protection on tank?

What is tank breathing?

How oil strage tank losses occure and types?

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01/18/2011 2:12 AM

Tank internal coatings can be to increase conductivity of the surface if the tank has been lined with a non conductive coating intended to prevent leakage. Coatings can also be applied to limit or prevent corrosion.

Tank Dyke is intended to contain fuel from a tank rupture or massive leak, common capacity is 1.5 times the total capacity of all tanks within the dyked area.

Tanks are grounded to prevent sparks jumping between metal parts of the tank or from fuels as they are pumped into the tank.

Cathodic protection is a system where a positive charge is introduced to the electrolyte of the ground(water) mixtures by a anode, the tanks and associated piping are inteded to be negatively charged so the charge goes from anode to cathode. As the charge jumps off the anode, it will slowly decompose. This forces the system of cathode, anode and associated power supply and wires to only corrode at the anode. If this system were not in place, the natural charge of groundwater mixtures would be joined by the pipeline, or steel tanks creating an anode at one place and cathode at another. This situation could result in rapid decomposition of tanks or pipelines and failure of the integrity of the system.

Tank breathing, I am guessing you are meaning venting. If you pump fuel into a tank through a pipe at 80 psi, it may not seem like much but if the tank were not vented that 80 psi would be spread over the entire surface of the tank. If you picture a wall 20ft by 60ft with 80 pounds of pressure every square inch that would be a tremendous force that would rupture the tank. Vents allow air to escape when the tank is filled. If a tank were not vented when being emptied of fuel the air pressure on the outside of the tank would eventually collapse the tank by the same method. Various methods are intended to limit evaporation of volatile fuels contained within the tanks. Heavy fuels usually have a pressure / vacuum vents that only open once the pressure differential is high enough (but low enough to prevent damage).

Tank losses occur through leaks in the tank, or seepage through gaskets and valves. Sometime losses can occur when a drain valve has grit or debris preventing sealing, this is usually evident by excessive collection in drain tanks. Losses also occur when tanks are not vented properly. Light fuels such as gasoline often use floating pans that ride on top of the fuel and limit the surface area of fuel exposed to the atmosphere reducing the opportunity for the fuel to evaporate. These floating pans have skirting and seals that attempt to limit fuel vapors from escaping at the sides of the tanks. Heavy fuels (as described above) have pressure vacuum vents that are set to contain sufficient pressure equal to the vapor pressure of the fuels stored.

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01/18/2011 9:27 AM

I have rarely seen a better response to what is so clearly homework. While you are to be lauded for your responses, may I suggest you sure did not do the OP any favours.

The purpose of such course work is so that the student can begin to make connections in his or her own mind on how and why such systems work. By taking the easy road... they "cheapen" their educational experience. One of the main reasons that such posting/responses are frowned upon here.

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01/18/2011 9:38 AM

I thought about this question before answering. Perhaps it is homework, but who do I go to for questions on homework. I look in books, I ask instructors and I search the internet. When I am looking for specific answers and they are spread around a textbook that is verbose and sometimes difficult to find exact passages I recall reading but now cannot find it would be nice to have an expert to ask who can provide concise answers to specifics I need to study.

If that individual is a student, I hope I have answered his questions well enough for him to use my words as a study guide. I know I only glossed over cathodic protection and evaporative loss prevention, but they are topics for classes dedicated to their subjects and most texts would only provide brief definitions of them.

I don't mind augmenting a textbook, especially if I feel that student might be reading a textbook in his / her second language.

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01/18/2011 10:09 AM

Agreed. However, may I suggest, that if the OP would have added any discussion or mentioned what it was they understood or did not understand on these points, then many here, myself included, would go to great lengths to pass on what knowledge on the subject they had.

Perhaps it is an incorrect perception on my part, but when a poster shows up here, who has had , say, less then 10 postings, and asks multiple simple and easily researched questions on whatever engineering discipline they are asking about, the perception is one of "this is a student asking about homework, who has no knowledge on the matters at hand and is only interested in getting the answers to "get the assignment out of the way".

Lets face it... in today's world, where numerous points of access to the "engineering world" exists, there is no valid reason for anyone, other then shear laziness, to show up at this forum and pose such simple and basic questions.

I love to teach, and have taught many courses to adults consisting of both electrical trade course and general interest computer courses, when the flow of the process is both ways and passionate, the teaching process can be an incredible worthwhile experience for both parties.

For what it is worth... IMHO, perhaps I am wrong, I feel we have a requirement as engineering and trades professionals to pass on what we have learned from those who taught us. This person did not appear, al least to me based on what they posted, to want to learn, they appeared to want to get something out of the way.

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01/18/2011 2:32 AM

Thank you and Best regards for answering.

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01/18/2011 8:35 PM

1 - http://rhinoliningsindustrial.com/

2 - to control drain pressure?

3 - so it doesn't explode

4 - so it doesn't corrode

5 - disperse moisture

6 - evaporation

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