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Three Phase Transformer with only Single Phase Input

01/27/2011 8:52 PM

Is it possible to produce 208 volt single phase (2 hot legs, no neutral) from a 3 phase delta/wye transformer when I only have single phase (2 hot legs) 600 volt available for the primary? I requested a 600/208 volt single phase step down transformer but was shipped a 3 phase transformer by mistake. Can it be rewired to work?

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Re: Three Phase Transformer with only Single Phase Input

01/27/2011 11:45 PM

Technically you can rewire a 3 phase transformer to accept a single phase input power and then produce a split phase output power. I do not recommend trying to do this. To do this you will first have to do a simple analysis of the magnetic field current paths to identify where the primary and secondary windings should reside. Then you will have to rewire the windings of the transformer itself. This might involve removing all windings because some transformer windings are potted to reduce mechanical noise. If you attempt to do this I'd expect that the core will saturate at a lower power than the three phase condition.

Unfortunately you have the wrong component to do this job. It will likely take less time acquiring the correct transformer than it will take to rebuild this transformer to make an inadequate transformer out of what you have.

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Re: Three Phase Transformer with only Single Phase Input

01/28/2011 12:01 PM

To simplify, since the transformer I have received is oversized (KVA rating), would it be possible to use only one of the windings to achieve the 208 volt output?

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Re: Three Phase Transformer with only Single Phase Input

01/28/2011 1:01 PM

To simplify, what you thought that you ordered and what you have are two different things. Regardless of what you do with what you have, you must pursue obtaining the correct transformer.

Now assuming that the effective winding ratio produces the correct voltage and that the KVA is at least three times the needed power level then you could make a temporary wiring to get people operating. However, you must realize all of the plausible repercussions and scenarios of doing this. First, you will be taking on full liability for any damage that occurs to this transformer because you are not using it as designed. Second, by providing your user a temporary configuration, you may have added logistics problems installing the correct transformer in the future. Third, you may not be permitted to do this at all if this violates your local building codes.

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Re: Three Phase Transformer with only Single Phase Input

02/01/2011 3:43 AM

Do yourself a simple but worthwhile favor.JUST RETURN THIS TRANSFORMER TO SUPPLIER AND GET THE RIGHT ONE WITH REASONS FOR DOING SO.

JS

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Re: Three Phase Transformer with only Single Phase Input

01/28/2011 10:02 AM

Is the primary delta and the secondary Y? And the primary is designed for 600 volts input, and the secondary is designed to deliver 208 volts output (line to line)?

Your first choice, obviously, is to return the transformer and get what you ordered.

I'm pretty sure you could make this transformer work, though, without rewinding, but at a loss in "capacity" (kva)--in fact, I think the kva will be reduced to 1/3 of its rating if you follow my proposal.

So, first, try to get what you ordered!!!!!

But, if I was stuck, I'd put the input 600 volts across two of the line inputs to the transformer, then I'd take the output from two legs of the Y, and using the center of the Y as the center tap (and ground it, per code requirements). You may need to experiment to see which two legs of the Y give you 208 volts leg to leg. The voltage on one leg may be very different.

Use a voltmeter, and then a small (and cheap) test load (e.g., a small space heater or similar) to check the behavior before hooking up your real loads.

Hmm, whatever positive reputation I may have developed until now will surely go down the drain with this--be careful--get help from someone who knows what they're doing.

Ok, so I chickened out and posted anonymously ;-)

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Re: Three Phase Transformer with only Single Phase Input

01/28/2011 1:15 PM

After some more thought, I think my approach would be more likely to work if the transformer had the same configuration of windings on both primary and secondary, in other words, delta / delta or wye / wye.

My previous (and this) answer might be bad, but they are not off topic.

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Re: Three Phase Transformer with only Single Phase Input

01/28/2011 12:23 PM

You can probably get 120 volt at 1/3 of the transformers rated KVA.

You can probably not get 208 volt.

Look at the wiring diagram for the transformer.

Send transformer back. That's the easy way.

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Re: Three Phase Transformer with only Single Phase Input

01/29/2011 3:50 AM

Short of returning the transformer:

If your transformer 2ndary is 208V phase - Neutral (?), then supplying 600V to 2 legs on primary will give unequal voltages on the 2ndary: L1-N = 208V ; L2-N = 104V ; L3 - N = 104V or approximately. the numbering is arbitrary and you have to find out which is which.

Loading this way, will have unbalanced current in the transformer and you can use the single 208V leg. The trouble is that there will be poor regulation (Voltage will fluctuate dependent on load, to some extend).

If this is a small size transformer for a single user, less than few kW, you could try and see. But if it is a large one for multi-users, better let them change it.

In any case, if you are not familiar with electrical devices like this, better not take a risk of damaging other peoples equipments. Make sure that adequate protection (fuses, C.B.) are there.

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