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Fan Motor Burning Mystery

03/31/2007 3:51 PM

In spite of the accustomed general perception suggests that rising resistance of a system overloads the motor, the mystery of burning motors is very specific – it depends on the type of the system.

The peculiar difference between a mechanical and aerodynamical systems are:

- rising resistance of mechanical systems overloads the motor.

- rising resistance of aerodynamical system unloads the motor.

Graph 1 illustrates interaction of fan pressure, capacity, and motor HP.


GRAPH 1

The more resistance in the system, (ducts, filters, coils, dampers, etc.) the less air capacity and lower motor load, and vice versa, the less resistance the more air capacity and higher motor load.

Vent system sizing eventuates in total resistance at the required capacity, which are criteria for the fan selection. There is a tendency to select a fan with some spare total pressure over calculated one.

This case is considered in the Graph 1.

The blue lines on the graph are for the designed system, and the red ones - for inappropriate fan-motor selection with following it consequences.

The design working point 1 with the design system characteristic 0-1, CFM=1a-1 and TP=1b-1, at 3hp motor capacity and Fan Curve A.

Overestimation of TP=1b-2 at designed CFM=1a-1 creates the imaginary working point 2 and system 0-2 on the Fan Curve B with motor capacity 10hp.

The real working point 3 of the improperly selected fan is the intersection of the designed system 0-1-3 with the Fan Curve B. So, the field data is: CFM=3a-3 and TP=2b-3, at 20hp motor capacity.

Deduction.

The selected point 2, estimated over the design point 1, in the field becomes the point 3. The CFM capacity of the point 3 is larger than in points 1 and 2.

In spite of the resistance of the system in the field (TP in the point 3) is lower than the resistance (TP in the point 2) of overestimated system the power consumption in the field (point 3) is higher (20hp) than the power consumption (10hp) of the overestimated system (point 2).

Thus, the increase in energy consumption in the field overheats the selected 10hp motor and causes it to burn.

Note:

A number of manufacturers do not show the Mechanical Efficiency (Mef) of their fans. The possible reason for it - they do not want to unveil a low efficiency. Their tables show BHP and you shall run through catalog pages in order to find the lowest BHP for your system. But it does not mean that you selected fan with sufficient and acceptable MEf. Just the lowest BHP alone is not an assuring criterion for fan selection. The MEf can be still low. Therefore in order to clarify the picture you have to proceed with calculation of MEf.

MEf= power output (air horsepower) / power input (brake horsepower)

Air horsepower (AHP) is a power which moves the desirable air volume at the desirable pressure. Brake horsepower (BHP) is a power input the fan requires.

MEf= AHP/BHP = {(CFM x TP) / 6356} / BHP

Now, when you know the value of MEf, you can be frequently disappointed with the result. In spite of the lowest BHP, selected from table, the MEf is still disappointedly low.

Conclusion

- The fan oversizing must be avoided.

- The attention-grabbing fact is that it must be recognized that no matter what methods have been applied to calculate the vent systems (Equal Friction, Velocity Reduction, Static Regain, or Constant Velocity, etc.,) the results eventuate in a value of the Total Pressure, not in a value of the Static Pressure.

- Thus, Fan Total Pressure, evidently and logically, is the only proper basis for the fan selection.

- Fan Static Pressure (Fs) is an unacceptable basis for fan selection. "Most importantly, remember that Ps is a defined term." (ASHRAE Handbook, Fundamentals). And "It cannot be read directly from the calculation sheet." (Industrial Ventilation, SMACNA).

- As the essential measures for motor safety and energy saving, the fan manufacturers must provide graphs illustrating System / Fan trade-offs: air capacity and total pressure, fan and motor curves, fan and motor mechanical efficiencies, energy consumption, and noise levels.

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Re: Fan Motor Burning Mystery

03/31/2007 8:31 PM

It all comes down to placement, whether the fan is to blow or suck! The best is to always place the fan so it sucks from the place to be ventilated. This prevents the build up of air in the ducting and allows the air to escape as quickly as is possible this ensures sufficient cooling provided that the duct or opening is correctly sized. Keeping the build up of dust and or grease to a minimum is another must. Choose the rating of the motor so that the torque required to drive the blades is 20% greater than required, you will never have another failure ever again. Check that the voltage and frequency meet with the local supply. It's not rocket science. Honest.

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04/01/2007 6:49 PM

Dear BrainWave,

  1. "It all comes down to placement, whether the fan is to blow or suck" – this is irrelevant to the article.
  2. "The best is to always place the fan so it sucks from the place to be ventilated. This prevents the build up of air in the ducting and allows the air to escape as quickly as is possible this ensures sufficient cooling provided that the duct or opening is correctly sized. Keeping the build up of dust and or grease to a minimum is another must". Those are different irrelevant topics.
  3. "Choose the rating of the motor so that the torque required to drive the blades is 20% greater than required, you will never have another failure ever again." – this is wrong, because it is the unnecessary increase of the energy consumption.
  4. "It's not rocket science" - it is right. This is Fan Motor Burning Mystery:

"Rising resistance of aerodynamical system unloads the motor".

Please, learn attentively the meaning of the article.

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04/01/2007 9:48 PM

apcco,

"Rising resistance of aerodynamical system unloads the motor".

No different than with a class of relatively high volume, low head centrifugal pump for liquids: The lower the head, the higher the volume, and the greater the loading on the pump motor. The higher the head, and the resulting lower volume, the less the motor load. Too low of a pressure head can also tend to result in motor burnout with this type of pump.

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04/02/2007 3:02 PM

Greg, The mystery of fan motor burning is:

"In spite of the accustomed general perception suggests that rising resistance of a system overloads the motor, the mystery of burning motors is very specific – it depends on the type of the system.

The peculiar difference between a mechanical and aerodynamical systems are:

- rising resistance of mechanical systems overloads the motor.

- rising resistance of aerodynamical system unloads the motor."

I have many cases when maintenace people had the burning fan motors because they did not know this "mystery".

When motor is burnt they replace motor with higher HP and ducts with larger diameter. And what they got? The new fan motor is burnt again.

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04/02/2007 4:40 PM

Apcco,

Why are you repeating your original point to me? I didn't disagree. Am I missing something here?

Is a liquid pump as I mentioned a mechanical system any more than a fan? I think not.

You have provided useful information and insight in your original post, but now seem bent on advertising.

Your reply to me was obtuse as to my comparison and seems only an attempt to direct traffic to your company website.

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04/04/2007 10:24 AM

No wonder your motors burn out I have never once had any motor fail because I do know what I am doing. The ducting acts as an air guide and cools the motor unless you are extracting very hot air in witch case cool it first. The reason for sucking the air out not blowing it is because the air can escape from the fan more quickly no standing wave issues. Go back and study the books on air extraction and air conditioning systems don't post any more rubbish until you have at least learned the basics. Yah boo baby.

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