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Unstable Parallel Generators

06/22/2011 11:38 PM

Gentlemen,

Here is my situation:

We have two 630 Kw alternators, Cat 3508 driven. This arrangement is on a modern ship.

The engines are alike, but one alternator is new, a Marathon unit and digital AVR, the other is an old Leroy Somer with original AVR R 488 type.

The past crew has been adjusting something with the voltage regulators, now the generators are unstable.

When the load comes on over 500 amps, they go crazy, the current meter goes to full scale and they overload at 1100 amps.

They will not share the load evenly over 500 amps, one or the other takes too much and trips out on overcurrent.

We can operate but only on low loads and best not to parallel the generators.

What should I adjust on the AVR, does anyone think this is the droop adjustment?

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Re: Unstable Parallel Generators

06/23/2011 10:39 PM

This is called alternator synchronization, and all power companies do this. Usually one generator is the master and the other tracks it very closely with a controller.

search through these links

alternator synchronization

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Re: Unstable Parallel Generators

06/24/2011 7:23 AM

I have also faced a similar situation earlier. my opinion about this kind of technical problem during paralleling occurs when the incoming generator excitation is absent during the paralleling period and then the current tends to shoot on both the ammeters. so, check the excitation unit of the incoming generator and also keep the AVR in the droop mode..

please let me know if this viewpoint of mine has helped u .. do reply.

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Re: Unstable Parallel Generators

06/24/2011 12:39 PM

This link has some useful information:

http://www.canadiancontrols.com/documents/technical/Speed%20Droop%20and%20Power%20Generation.pdf

As well as: http://www.actech.gr/PDF%20FILES%20PAGE-Files-/pdfiles/deif/chap3-4.pdf

and this: http://www.actech.gr/PDF%20FILES%20PAGE-Files-/pdfiles/deif/chap3-4.pdf

Good luck and make sure your trip valves are working until it's fixed.

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Re: Unstable Parallel Generators

06/24/2011 4:12 PM

Let's reason together. Two generators in parallel can work together:

IF the resistance to the common node is high enough, AND the load change is much slower, than either controller + excitation can handle. Every generator responds properly to slowly changing load. The resistance requirement frequently met by the internal resistance of the generators. The manufacturer can answer that, and adding external power resistors to mend that problem is a simple solution. But, I do not think your problem is such.

But, there is a second, independent problem you can take care with some help. Every regulator has a time constant, with which it follows sudden load change, like you switching on big lights or a baking oven, or some such. In a parallel arrangement BOTH regulators respond to the load change, and tries to regulate it out, as if the other does not exist.

The solution is straightforward. With ALL modern regulators, you must have an interconnect, in which one is the master, and the rest are slaves. Since one regulates all, all behave as dictated.

If different generations of generators and controllers are mixed, that option is normally not available, nor would I trust it without thorough testing. But, you always can count on, or make one controller markedly slower, than the other. In this case, two quite dissimilar generators can coexists allright.

For starter, I would like to see the slower generator regulate at least 2x, preferably 3x slower. You cannot see, and do that without measurements using an oscilloscope, or a PC application doing the same. Any good geek knowing what I am talking about can do that for you. After that, yo have to pore thru the Maintenance Manuals, and if all fails, contact the manufacturers with a very specific question: " What do I do to SLOW down the regulator by the x factor". I am willing to bet, that you will solve it on your own, but if not, the manufacturers tech will answer your specific question in a very short order, and exactly.

Now - obviously - there is a small price for such a loose arrangement. The regulation is 30% or 50% slower, than the fast regulating generator. I believe you can live with that.

And when we meet, you owe me a drink.

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06/24/2011 4:17 PM

Generators (DC) are easier to parallel than alternators (AC).

Alternators must be closely matched.

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Re: Unstable Parallel Generators

06/26/2011 6:14 AM

I think you need to adjust the droop settings on both the generators normally set around 3-5%. some latest avr need pc to adjust all function.

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