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DC Ground Fault

06/28/2011 11:24 PM

Hi to all.

I would like to post a problem in 125VDC system. Below are the data gathered during maintenance:

Measured voltages in the DC bus:

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Pos - Neg = 130 Vdc using DC voltmeter

Pos - Gnd = 80 Vdc using DC voltmeter

Neg - Gnd = 50 Vdc using DC voltmeter

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Pos - Neg = 0 Vac using AC voltmeter

Pos - Gnd = 14 Vac using AC voltmeter

Neg - Gnd = 14 Vac using AC voltmeter

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I have tried to the following to solve the problem but I was not able to locate the source of fault:

1. Literally isolate the battery charger supplying the DC bus and battery leaving the battery banks as the DC source.

After doing this, we have ruled out the charger from the cause of this fault.

2. Inspected the DC panel looking for any sign of defects or possible loose connections or anything that may contribute to the problem.

Visual inspection was done but it will not complete the investigation.

We have noticed that the voltage between pos - gnd and neg - gnd are the same. I am suspecting that the measured AC in the DC system may be in one of the protective relays that handling AC circuits but the operating coil is DC.

Can somebody help me or give me suggestion how to locate the fault?

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Re: dc ground fault

06/29/2011 2:25 AM

Re-check the system with DC ground fault detector to track the location of the fault.

http://www.freepatentsonline.com/4929901.pdf

http://samcoeng.com/manuel.html

Above are attached two links explaining apparatus for DC ground fault detection. May, it will help you.

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Re: DC Ground Fault

06/29/2011 10:33 AM
  1. Do you have earth fault detection EF on system?
  2. EF usually works with two resistors, one from + to earth and one from - to earth, equal by design - maybe not anymore? One system I know has 50 kohm resistors.
  3. If you do not have EF detection, insulation resistance [high!] to earth is unlikely to be equal and if you are using a digital voltmeter its resistance is likely 1 or 10 megohm. So your resistance to earth is about 0.25 or 2.5 megohm from each pole - why worry!
  4. Somewhere in your control load, you have a device with low insulation resistance to earth? Have you tried disconnecting the load totally and then by fuse & link section? Does it make any difference to voltage to earth?
  5. You probably have plenty of AC powered kit with relays connected to DC bus, whose insulation has a capacitance to AC power and will feed in a trace of AC.
  6. Have you tried connecting a small resistor - say 10000 ohm 3 watt to earth from each pole? Until you do that, you have no idea of the actual resistance to earth and if it is low enough to be a nuisance.
  7. When I had this problem, isolating the battery from everything left volts to earth of battery much the same and the 10k did not make much difference. So it was the battery
  8. The battery is full of conducting fluid, some escapes as vapour. When did you last wash the cells exterior, especially the tops near the terminals? Is there a leak (check cell fluid level)? Count down the cells in proportion to voltage to earth, or use voltmeter to earth on banks and cells until you find nearest to earth (0V). Maybe it is just that cell or those near it. But it may be a summation of the differing insulation of all the cells. Any contamination around battery cable glands?
  9. Pushing plastic floor tiles under suspect cells or crates might prove a point!
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Re: DC Ground Fault

06/30/2011 7:45 AM

It is generally seen that, for battery charging system, input supply of the battery charger is A.C. suply, after rectification and filteration, the D.C. voltage is used for battery charging, for malfunctioning of filter networks, various levels of harmonics are generated, specially tripplen harmoincs, which are flowing to ground, completing the circuit through voltmeter since neutral of the incoming A.C. supply is also grounded. This may generate A.C. voltages between positive bus to ground and negative bus to ground. The quantum of this voltage is depending on the zero sequence impedance of the circuit.

When the A.C. supply is disconnected, and found voltages between positive bus to ground and negative bus to ground, it is obviously due leakage in the system( D.C. part) may be surface leakages from batteries specially, the top part of the batteries may be contaminated with elctrolytes, leakage may also occurs at the wire terminations, connector blocks, even insulation failure or mechanical injury of wiring networks. So to detect this type of failures thorough inspection is required.

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Re: DC Ground Fault

07/01/2011 12:55 AM

It is very possible that there is a connection between an AC line and the Negative side of the DC distribution system, sometime the connection is the result of miss-wiring. First you has to find the DC ground fault to see if that is the problem

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