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bomb detection

07/23/2011 10:20 AM

now i m doing BE, i m searching for project idea, i tried lot, but i dnt even got a real idea about bomb detector

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07/23/2011 10:38 AM

The idea of a project is to LEARN how to perform research and gather information, not have someone do the project for you.

You should learn how to search and not ask others to do your work for you.

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07/23/2011 10:42 AM

You've got to be kidding. Do you really think that a public forum is the place to discuss how to detect a bomb? Do you really want to assist people to repeat what just happened in Oslo Norway or any of the perennial suicide bombers.

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07/23/2011 10:58 AM

Why not drop by your local police station and ask them what they know on the subject. I'm sure they'd LOVE to help you.

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07/23/2011 11:14 AM

I agree with redfred, this is not the place to discuss how to discuss how to detect explosives.

To do so in an open forum where there is no security whatsoever gives the bomb makers a "leg up" regarding our technology. Any discussion about bomb detection methodology, equipment, and techniques could be possibly used against us; they, the terrorists, could new techniques to thwart our activities presently and into the near term future......

I still hold several US Army, FEMA and TSA security clearances regarding EOD and designing structures and other facilities for the government and corporations.....I could tell you volumes, but then again, I'd have to kill you afterwards! LOL Operational security is paramount.

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[Aside to the Moderators: This type of OP is inappropriate and should not ever had been allowed to be posted in the CR4 Forum. Kindly freeze it or remove it so as to prevent any further discussion on this subject matter, as it could possibly cause loss of life and property damage.]

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07/23/2011 11:26 AM

I'll go one further, the CR4 moderators should freeze this thread and provide all known information on the OP to Homeland Security. This should also go for any one foolish enough to discuss bomb detection before this thread vanishes.

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07/23/2011 11:49 AM

Again, I agree with redfred. The OP should be reported to either the TSA, FBI, and/or Homeland Security. Also freeze this thread or remove it like I said in my previous posting.

For all we know, this person could be a potential terrorist in the making or operating within a T-cell in the USA or other western country or could enter a "target" country from almost anywhere on the planet......or belong to a militant group ....or operating as a "lone wolf" or psychological nut job, which is the worse type of terrorist who are extremely hard to detect. Timothy McVeigh (sp ?) is a good example of such.

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07/23/2011 12:28 PM

Wow, lets just lean back a little and think.

OP is not asking how to make a bomb. Thanks to a movie called "The Manhattan Project" a gifted schoolboy can make a nuclear bomb.

i bet the OP is an Indian, feeling agonised over the terrorist bombing in Mumbai and now Oslo....and wants to detect bombs before they go off.

Nevertheless, this is an unacceptable post and must be pulled. Because any terrorist can read the responses (if anyone is stupid enough to give away some trade secrets) and circumvent them.

premselex, Not a good question.

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07/24/2011 12:02 PM

I agree with pretty much everything that has been said in this thread.

My take on this sort of question is the same as the occasional question we get about defeating an automobile security system...

If I were to make an explosive device of some sort, I might like to see if anyone knows how such a device might be detected. This information may be useful in the design and construction of my 'project'. It is my suspicious nature that comes with the security related business.

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07/23/2011 12:56 PM

Agreed that the OP is not asking how to build a bomb, but rather a "bomb detection" devise or I presume the knowledge regarding the methods, techniques, and operational capabilities of how to detect a bomb.

I somehow cannot agree with your statement that any high schooler could build a fissionable bomb after watching that movie. It takes access to refined a goodly amount of Uranium and/or Plutonium and the intricate machining of those metal isotopes to make a workable bomb. You also need an extensive amount of education and practical knowledge to fashion workable and expedient explosives to set off those metal to form a critical mass. I don't think a majority of the world's governments can technically undertake such a proposition due to the lack of knowledge base, facilities, as well as the costs. Ditto regarding terrorist cells like al Qaeda. Sure they can make a "dirty bomb" if they can get their hands on some radioactive isotopes. That in of itself lies the true danger from terrorist cells hell bent on exploding such a device in a large city....or seeding the radioactive materials from an aircraft over a city.

What the OP is likely asking foremost is about the detection technology in regards detecting conventional explosives, not nukes. Like electronic devices for ferreting out explosive components. There are sites on the web that do discuss such technology and how they are employed, but I will not be a part of it or direct him/her to those sites, as innocent lives are at stake here...and this is high stakes poker to the nth degree possible. You can probably bet your last dollar or rupee that the NSA monitors the traffic at such web sites....

enough said about this subject. Please have a great day there in India!

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07/23/2011 1:13 PM

"What the OP is likely asking" is for someone to do their work for them.

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07/23/2011 11:51 PM

Of course i did not mean that a schoolboy can make a nuke, it was sort of tongue-in-cheek against the clamour for full disclosure, right to information etc. On the one hand we want total access to information, and on the other we scream when that is misused by unscrupulous elements....

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07/24/2011 12:51 AM

I think I heard somewhere, that was based in fact, and was judged workable by the guys who know.

I agree with Red that this is the wrong place to talk about explosives detection. Same as talking about autonomous control for small craft, or airport security, or even passport security - leave it to the irresponsible fools on www.

The trick being "not talking about it", as opposed to 'outlining your expertise in it', to convince the 'sold' not talk about it.

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07/23/2011 1:39 PM

Yes lyn, that is correct, and he/she could possibly be a lunatic or bomb-making terrorist seeking highly classified and secure information that could be accidentally slipped in this thread. We just don't know the ID or character of the OP, so why risk a chance that the needed info falls into the wrong hands, thereby unnecessarily risking lives of innocents and our troops.

Incidently, I have notified the forum Moderators of the inappropriateness of the subject matter. I do not know why they haven't acted yet. If they don't do it soon I will place a call to the TSA and/or FBI office in Albany NY and report this request for information. Better safe then sorry.

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07/23/2011 7:02 PM

I agree with most of comments but isn't getting people into hysteria their primary goal? The tone of most answers to a naive (as I think) post worries me more. S.M.

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07/23/2011 8:34 PM

I agree with you and kvsridhar that this is probably just a naive post. At the same time, any one old enough and skilled enough to be actually doing a Bachelor of Engineering degree should not be this naive. If our OP is really this naive, they need to quickly "wakeup and smell the coffee" before people get hurt. The Internet is a great place to find ideas and people of all forms. It can even find naive engineers.

[Why is this thread still open? Maybe I should plagiarize some documents for a faster response.]

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07/24/2011 10:22 AM

I believe that it is the forum moderators that need to "wake up and smell the coffee", or is it the other way round?

Anyhoots, the thread should have been zapped a long time ago....

Ummm good one redfred, lets all "plagiarize some documents"......seems like nearly everyone involved in the forum has been guilty of this one time or another? hehehehe

[Aside and OT: Okay I will admit that I am as guilty as the next person, where that I was involved a few days ago, quite by accident after a moderator put the zap on my original posting of an article but also failed to keep my original "attribution", even though I had also kept the author's copyright and dated webzine addie: intentional plagiarism was never my intent. I won't go any further on the subject, lest it lead to some rumpled feathers.] LOL

Well, it's time to go lay down some more porcelain tile in the Dining Room and Kitchen....ohhhh my aching back and knees!

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07/24/2011 12:03 PM

Whatever you come up with, don't go down this route.

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07/24/2011 3:27 PM

A simple internet search for "bomb detection" produced numerous results including many publicly available news and scientific article regarding bomb detection and even neutralisation.

Lets not get too carried away, there is a great deal of information (and scientifically publicized articles) available on the internet on the subject. Yes it would make an interesting project, no we are not going to email you directly (see CR4 FAQ page).

Please provide more information on what your ideas for your project are and we may point you to specific news articles that may give you some further ideas for your project.

Jack - An actual military subcontractor.

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