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Anti-Scale Device Which Uses 100-200Khz Frequencies

08/08/2011 5:19 PM

Hey guys,

I came across this product on the market and figured that this was your bread and butter. Can it provide this signal for great distances across piping with the specifications they give? would this design even work at all?? i have attached a link to the patent filed for the product - Essentially, it claims to send a AM frequency of 100KHz-200KHz down the piping, preventing scale (calcium cabonate buildup) on heat exchangers, etc. Any input you can tell me will be greatly appreciated.

link to patent: http://worldwide.espacenet.com/publicationDetails/originalDocument?FT=D&date=19970916&DB=EPODOC&locale=en_gb&CC=US&NR=5667677A&KC=A

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08/08/2011 10:15 PM

If this thing really does produce a magnetic field strong enough to travel any distance, I'd expect to see nails and screws stuck to the pipe in "an axially oriented pattern" along the outer surface of the pipe.

I think you'd need a module every 10 feet or so.

Do they make systems for 48" pipe lines?

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08/08/2011 11:30 PM
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08/09/2011 3:59 AM

I asked the same Q waaaaay back, the general consensus was they are a crock of horse feathers.
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08/09/2011 10:51 AM

After reading the patent, I gotta throw the b.s. flag on it, too.

Did Andy's kettle stop furring? (I love the Brits talking about that) They must have awfully hard water over there.

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08/09/2011 3:18 PM

I haven't delved into it, but if it is horse feathers, I don't understand how these guys can make money by giving a 90 day risk free guarantee. If it doesn't work, you get your money back.

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08/09/2011 3:23 PM

Presumably you can't prove it doesn't work in 90 days.
The placebo effect works for 90 days.
In fact the KrisDelTM placebo is better than all others and works for at least 100days due to it's improved BBOTM (Big Bright Orange) technology.
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08/09/2011 3:43 PM

5 minutes of web searching, and it looks like BS to me.

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08/09/2011 3:58 PM

They make money the same way that people who sell magnets that clip onto your fuel lines do. The old fashioned way: gullible customers.

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08/09/2011 10:29 PM

If the cost is small most people don't bother to claim a refund, or they claim it too late or it just doesn't get paid.

I do like their explaination on the website "Electronic frequencies (not actual electricity) pass through the pipe and cause molecular agitation in the water (Faraday's Law)".

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08/09/2011 11:46 AM

you guys mention that the device is not strong enough to generate a field for very far, is there a formula relating power to coil size to distance of field to frequency of field??

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08/09/2011 4:19 PM

Yeah, it's called engineering school.

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08/10/2011 12:25 AM

My understanding is the products that use magnetic field effect are dubious at best. Fraudulent is probably more accurate description.

this shouldn't be confused with ultrasonic products. There is alot of genuine research occuring on using ultrasonic sound for prevention of suspended solids deposition and dissolved solids precipitation (including CaCO3). This is showing genuine promise, and may have application in general water distribution, but at this stage it is specifically targeted at Reverse Osmosis industry where local effects aim to increase water efficiency.

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08/10/2011 9:27 AM

Déjà Moo ?

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08/13/2011 4:16 PM

As the functioning of the device conforms to no physical principles, I agree with others that this is in the BS category. As a sideline, though, I have been investigating the process of obtaining a patent. It appears that in the UK, at any rate, there is no obligation to prove that the subject of a patent actually functions in the manner in which it is described.
It follows that the existence of a patent is no guarantee that a gadget works. This particular inventor owns a number of patents relating to sending electromagnetic waves down pipes carrying various fluids in order to reduce blockages in said tubes. I do not see that any of them can work.

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10/09/2012 10:26 AM

Patents generally protect the design. That is it. There are hundreds of worthless devices like this being sold.

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