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High Vibration in Steam Turbine

08/23/2011 3:19 AM

In a 60 MW seam turbine (3000 rpm), vibration in both (front & rear) bearings are normal up to 45 MW load, but increases exponentially if loaded further. In spectrum predominant increase is at 0.38xrpm in both the bearings while loading the turbine above 45 MW. It suggests the problem may be oil whirl. Aspects related with this issue were checked and found to be normal. Is the oil whirl is a localised problem (should not happen in both bearings)? Is the increase of 0.38xrpm component with load is not related with oil whirl? Can some one suggest some other reasons and solutions.

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Re: High Vibration in Steam Turbine

08/23/2011 6:56 AM
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Re: High Vibration in Steam Turbine

08/23/2011 8:31 AM

Normally 3000 rpm turbines are rigid rotor and oil whirl if happens is phenomena of speed not load. Loading up to 45 MW, turbine is behaving normal, means the steam entering after that load is causing some thing abnormal in the turbine that's why vibrations are increasing in both bearings. Try to find out any bypassing of high pressure steam. There are chances that inlet nozzles are in damaged condition and inlet trajactory getting affected after particular load.

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08/23/2011 11:56 AM

Thanks Mukesh for your logical answer. There is no bypassing of high pressure steam. There are five nozzles opening sequentially while increasing load. There may be chances that the fifth nozzle is in damaged condition and inlet trajectory getting affected after 45 MW load. From fifth nozzle steam impinges on first row of blades which is like pelton wheel.

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08/23/2011 10:48 PM

Have you checked the linkage to the Load for misalignment, wear or damage? and what about the bearings of the load (generator?)?

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Re: High Vibration in Steam Turbine

08/24/2011 12:15 AM

Yes, these aspects were examined & analysed.

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08/24/2011 1:08 AM

i believe it is not misalignment. some further information is needed however.

1- what is the oil temperature? 2-what is the orientation of the sensor for the vibration instrument? [axial? x? or y?] 3- what type of vibration test was performed? acceleration, velocity, enveloped ? peak, or averaged ?4- when was this bearing installed? [how many hours /months of operation?] 5 has there been any changes in oil viscosity or type recently?

this 0.38 x rpm is sub synchronous vibration and does coincide with oil whirl.[oil whirl .38 to .49 rpm ]

some turbine vibration problems have been solved [not by me] by altering the oil temperature by as little as a 10 deg F increase. this had affected the oil viscosity [oil whirl] and vibration was eliminated. good luck. let us know.

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08/25/2011 12:00 AM

Thanks pretze. I'm giving point wise further information.

1. Oil temp is aroung 47 degC, 2. Orientation of sensors is radial both x and y directions. 3. It has online vibration monitoring system (displacement). We separately performed orbit analysis, pedestal vibration (velocity) analysis. shaft vibrations were measured with analyzer (0-peak) 4. Bearings were installed during capital repair 8 months back. 5. No oil change, oil is ISO VG 46.

We also suspected oil whirl problem but as there is no peak of 0.38xrpm at lower load below 45 MW and increasing with load, this reason was eliminated.

We have checked the result by raising oil temperature from 47 to 54 degC but there was no improvement. Oil pressure was also varied from 0.8 bar g to 0.65 to 1 bar g, but no improvement observed.

May kindly comment based on this information.

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08/25/2011 1:26 AM

What type of journal bearings are there?, What is the phase difference of vibrations at two pedastals, Were the bearing clearances on higher side at the time of last overhaul. Is there any change observed in bearing temperatures at higher load? By the data we have seen so far only valid reason seems to be defect of inlet nozzle at highre load.

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08/25/2011 2:12 AM

Here are a some thoughts:

I assume the bearings are roller races - is the preload within the bearing manufacturer's specifications (bearing design limits)? and the equipment manufacturer's specifications(equipment design limits)?

Are the replacement bearings different in any way to the originals? - eg different number of rollers .....etc

Is there a possibility of some strange resonance if the number of rollers in one of the races and the number of vanes on the turbine are related by an integral multiple.

In how many different positions can the turbine output shaft and the load be coupled - has it been coupled in exactly the same alignment as original?

I read an engineering report years ago about a steamer (reciprocating engine) which had operated without a problem for many years, then after a refit blades kept breaking off its propeller ..... after much investigation it was found that the propeller had been replaced one or two bolt holes different relative to the engine crankshaft after the refit and this resulted in one blade being now vertical at the bottom of the stroke and this set up a resonance in that propeller blade which over time fatigued and broke away from the hub. They fitted another new(the third or fourth) propeller in the original orientation relative to the engine crankshaft and the problem disappeared.

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08/26/2011 4:33 AM

WAWAUS, your whole comment is circling around rollers of rolling bearings which is totally irrelevant, because such big turbines have journal bearings. Some one has adjudged it as GA also, may be for narrating your good experience with recip engine steamer.

"some strange resonance" may be possible but not with "the number of rollers in one of the races" I'm quite confident.

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