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GI Buried Pipe

09/04/2011 8:40 AM

What is the method / procedure of heavy duty GI underground piping with weldable fittings?

What will be life time of the pipes?

Treated water will be flown inside the pipe for fire protection system.

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Re: GI buried pipe

09/04/2011 11:29 AM

The method to get the US Army Corps of Engineers (the US Corps of Engineering GI) to install any underground piping will always include the chain of command. If this pipe is already part of an existing project, all that has to be done is the officer in charge of the project needs to be notified that this stage of the project needs to be completed next. They will then execute their orders in the sequence deemed fit by them and their superiors. If this pipe is not part of an existing project or impacts an existing project, then the US Congress must be involved to make this part of a new project.

As far as the pipe's lifetime, this is the responsibility of the US Corps' Engineer design team. They will examine the soil and geological conditions where the pipe will be placed along with the project's available budget to decide what pipe thickness and any coatings will be required to meet the anticipated lifetime. While all Engineering teams have had their unanticipated failures, the US Army Corps or Engineers (ACE) have really had a stellar record in Engineering accomplishments. Far too often an ACE project failure has been because of not following an ACE recommendation (replace or test structure every X amount of time) than an error on the ACE analysis.

Since this will be part of a fire protection system, it is even more important that you do not second guess the ACE.

PS. If you don't want sarcastic or otherwise useless answers, you should identify all acronyms and provide all information you have on hand.

PPS. PS is an extremely common abbreviation for Post Script. This is from the days of hand written letters to indicate text added after the initial letter was signed. PPS is Post Post Script for text after a Post Script. If I'm going to complain about acronyms, I should follow my own advice.

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Re: GI buried pipe

09/04/2011 1:47 PM

LMAO! D*** acronyms anyhow

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Re: GI Burried Pipe

09/04/2011 2:38 PM

Don't pay too much attention to the comments of my frivolous associates. They are obviously having fun with you.

Here's how I'd do it.

1. Dig a trench

2. Get some GI pipe

3. Get a welder

4. weld the pipe

5. lay it in the trench

6. Cover it up

7. Let the water fly.

Hope this helps.

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Re: GI Buried Pipe

09/04/2011 10:56 PM

The only Galvanized Iron fire protection system I have seen was welded up as flanged spools and then sent for hot dip galvanizing. GI is awful to weld once galvanized.

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Re: GI Buried Pipe

09/04/2011 11:52 PM

For buried pipelines, don't forget to follow the national or international codes for design, fabrication and inspection procedures to include painting/insulation, cathodic protection (anodes), bedding, padding and backfilling.

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Joke. To do that job, there are 3 groups: 1st for excavation, 2nd for welding and laying, and the 3rd for backfilling. What will happen if the 2nd group don't come and the work continued with 1st and 3rd groups only?

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Re: GI Buried Pipe

09/05/2011 11:08 AM

Why use galvanized iron pipe for fire protection? Welding galvanized pipe is very nasty and will compromise the metal where you can't get to it, on the inside of the pipe which will begin rusting from day one. You also don't want flanged joints underground as they will leak at some point. I would recommend something like ductile iron pipe, as it is used successfully under many conditions around the US for water supply and fire suppression. DI pipe and fitting also come with cement lining as well. They also come with mechanically restrained slip-on bell-and-spigot joints for faster installation.

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Re: GI Buried Pipe

09/06/2011 11:53 AM

Design life = thirty years, base on following all codes. This can differ depending on location. Actual life = probably fifty years.

The method/procedure, to much to fill in here.

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