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Inter Tripping Between Utility Breaker and Captive Power Plant Breaker

09/19/2011 11:29 AM

We have a captive power plant GTG of 35 MW. We are connected with state grid by two 220 KV transmission lines of 8 km approx each. Only one at a time is connected. Let us consider line -2. Please see attached image.

Recently, utility side breaker (GEB3) became off due to nuisance tripping, but our side line breaker (CB-003) did not tripped. I want intertripping between the two breakers.

1. I want to know whether this can be achieved without any carrier communication logic?

2. Whether dead line detection, a feature provided in distance prot terminal REL511 can be used for sensing the breaker off condition at our end? Please also consider the fact that our CPP will now be supplying the 220KV bus and hence the transmission line connected to it. Therefore, there will be no undervoltage on entire 220 KV bus and line.

3. Is there any other protection by which inter tripping can be achieved without using carrier communication?

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Re: Inter tripping between utility breaker and captive power plant breaker

09/19/2011 11:34 AM

the image attached is converted into lower pixel one by cr4, i dont know how to make it into original one. However, if one wants original good quality image, i can forward the same.

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Re: Inter Tripping Between Utility Breaker and Captive Power Plant Breaker

09/19/2011 11:41 AM

IF ONLY ONE LINE IS CONNECTED AT A TIME AND UTILITY SIDE BREAKER OPENS FIRST, WHY DO YOU NEED YOUR END BREAKER TO OPEN?

DURING NORMAL OPERATION WHETHER YOUR PLANT IS EXPORTING POWER OR IMPORTING POWER FROM UTILITY? IF SO WHAT IS THE PLANT LOAD AND IMPORT/EXPORT DETAILS?

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Re: Inter Tripping Between Utility Breaker and Captive Power Plant Breaker

09/19/2011 12:13 PM

We are importing aprrox 1 MW from the utility. Utility is our option for reliability in case GTG trips.

plant load is approx 25 MW and we have 5 GTGs of 7 MW each.

Furthur, we want intertripping because if there's no intertripping then there occurs a situation that when utility closes the breaker at their end, two different power sources (our GTG and grid) becomes synchronized at that particular breaker resulting in excessive current in the whole system.

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Re: Inter Tripping Between Utility Breaker and Captive Power Plant Breaker

09/19/2011 12:29 PM

You mean that they are going to synchronize assuming your plant is a dead load and not as a generator, without using any synchronization procedure.

You can have an instantaneous trip setting at your end to trip the same line on unacceptable current levels due to incorrect synchronization or you can have two lines in parallel, the other line will remain in service , when one line goes out. [The fault level will go up slightly in case of 2 lines are parallel, but this should be acceptable]. However, it is better to do synchronization at your end and I do not know how else tripping at your end can be done without using a signal from utility end.

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09/19/2011 12:42 PM

You mean that they are going to synchronize assuming your plant is a dead load and not as a generator, without using any synchronization procedure.- yes, exactly. sir.
You can have an instantaneous trip setting at your end to trip the same line on unacceptable current levels due to incorrect synchronization or you can have two lines in parallel, the other line will remain in service , when one line goes out. [The fault level will go up slightly in case of 2 lines are parallel, but this should be acceptable]. However, it is better to do synchronization at your end and I do not know how else tripping at your end can be done without using a signal from utility end.
-we are synchronizing the grid at our end only.-we can only use one line at a timeas mentioned previously. The reason is anothor story whatsoever.-any guidance sir, on your behalf as to which type of protection is necessary for intertripping?

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09/19/2011 12:51 PM

May be you can check the following condition where the current in the line under question is 0 and your end of breaker is closed and voltage is normal level voltage. When these conditions are encountered a PLC based system can be used to generate the trip signal to trip your breaker.

The problem however, is your import is very low and even when the breaker at the utility end is closed, current can still be close to 0 due to low import.

You can contact me through private message route where I can provide address of a company that may be able to help you.[provided you are in India]

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09/19/2011 12:17 PM

We are importing aprrox 1 MW from the utility. Utility is our option for reliability in case GTG trips.

plant load is approx 25 MW and we have 5 GTGs of 7 MW each.

Furthur, we want intertripping because if there's no intertripping then there occurs a situation that when utility closes the breaker at their end, two different power sources (our GTG and grid) becomes synchronized at that particular breaker resulting in excessive current in the whole system.

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09/19/2011 3:08 PM

sir, can you provide me with some literature on dead line detection? Whether this technique can be applied in my case. I will contact you tomorrow. Yes, i am based in india.

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Re: Inter Tripping Between Utility Breaker and Captive Power Plant Breaker

09/20/2011 3:04 PM

power line Carrier inter trip,radio or pilot inter trip are the most dependable solutions invariably used with critical sets.

a plain uv element can not always detect remote open if generator is paralleled. UV protection will work if generator is not paralleled.

There are many other solutions - vector surge/ df/dt protections are frequently preferred. they can operate without remote communication.

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Re: Inter Tripping Between Utility Breaker and Captive Power Plant Breaker

09/23/2011 11:05 AM

You can avoid expenditure on inter tripping scheme by:

(a) Install a synchro check relay with lockout feature at the utility grid.

This relay will ensure the the breaker cannot be switched on when both end sources are not synchronized.

(b) Install a reverse active power relay, a reverse reactive power relay and an over votage relay on the incomer utility CB at your plant.

An unloaded line draws capacitive charging currents (reverse flow), voltage increases and power factor goes leading.

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