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Torque Calculations

12/05/2011 2:21 PM

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I am trying to put together a table of fastener torque values for personal reference. The formulas for calculating such values are pretty straightforward, however I'm running into a stumbling block when it comes to certain materials - specifically G10/FR4 and phenolic plate. In my work we occasionally have to tap holes in G10 and phenolic parts (without inserts) and while I can find the yield strengths of such materials, I simply cannot find coefficient of friction values to calculate the proper torque. I've tried searching generic names (garolite, micarta, tufnol etc) but have had no luck there either. I've even thought I could approximate g10 as fiberglass, but havent even found good numbers for fiberglass. My end goal is to calculate torque for various sizes of brass and stainless steel hardware screwed into these materials. Can anyone point me in the right direction?

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12/05/2011 11:57 PM
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12/06/2011 7:07 AM

You're right about the info you need being tough to find.

I tried for "Bakelite" and lucked out.

You might just have to experiment with different torques and fastener/tap sizes yourself and come up with your own table.

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12/06/2011 7:57 AM

The torque calculation I'm familiar with, for steel nuts and bolts, uses a design bolt stress/load, and assumes 10% of applied torque goes to producing bolt stress, the rest being lost to friction.

Maybe for bolts in plastic the coefficient of friction is different, meaning the 10% changes. But if you base the load on the bolt characteristics for metal bolts, you're likely to strip the plastic thread before you reach calculated torque, unless the thread is very long.

It might be better to do it by trial and error and a bit of judgement. After you've stripped a few you'll begin to get a feel for it .

If you experiment as Wal suggests, the only way I can think of is to torque to stripping point, and use a safety factor of say 0.5 to get working torque.

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12/09/2011 3:56 AM

i try to find it on the web, but there is not the values.

google it ,maybe you can find the values.

Strength to Weight Ratioksi-
Specific Gravity @73 F-D7921.82
Tensile Strength @73 F, (ult)/(yld)psiD63840000
Tensile Modulus of Elasticity @ 73 FpsiD638-
Tensile Elongation at Break @ 73 F%D638-
Flexural Strength @ 73 FpsiD79055000
Flexural Modulus of Elasticity @ 73 FpsiD7902700000
Shear Strength @ 73 FpsiD73219000
Compressive Strength, (% Deformation) @73 FpsiD69560000 (10)
Compressive Modulus of Elasticity @73 FpsiD695-
Hardness, Rockwell, Scale as noted @73 F-D785M110
Hardness, Durometer, Shore D @73 F-D2240-
Izod Impact, (Notched) @73 Fft-lb/in of notchD256 TypeA7.0

Coefficient of Friction, (Dry vs. Steel) Dynamic

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Limiting PV, (with 4 to 1 factor of safety applied)psi-ft/min--
THERMALCoefficient of Linear Thermal Expansion @73 Fin/in/FE-831 (TMA)-
Heat Deflection Temperature @ 264 psiFD648-
Tg-Glass transition temperature, (Amorphous)FD3418-
Melting Point, (VS=Vicat Softening Temp.)FD3418-
Continuous Service Temperature in Air, (Max.)F-285
Thermal ConductivityBTU-in/hr-ft2-F--
ELECTRICALDielectric Strength, Short TermVolts/milD149400
Volume Resistivityohm-cmD257-
Dielectric Constant @ 10E6 Hz-D1505.2
Dissipation Factor @ 10E6 Hz-D1500.025
Flammability @ 3.1 mm unless noted-UL94V-O

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Water Absorbtion, Immersion, 24 Hrs% by wt.D570(7)0.10
Water Absorbtion, Saturation% by wt.D570(7)-
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12/14/2011 1:10 PM

Geez, I had thought by now that most people understood that using coefficients of friction with the ultimate goal of achieving "properly tightened" fasteners is nothing more than an engineered crap shoot

Whenever one uses any friction coefficient in a torque calculation, one "guesses" that this will be applicable in all cases. Just ain't so...

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12/15/2011 1:35 AM

That was a good link.

The case for finding alternative methods for determining fastener loading was nicely explored.

Like it said: "Torque does not and cannot indicate how "tight" a bolt is! Torque is only a measurement of the degree of resistance encountered when trying to turn a nut (or a bolt)...."

Like it goes on to say, elongation is the only real way to tell if a bolt is properly loaded.

I wouldn't expect much elongation for a metallic bolt being screwed into a plastic though....hmmm.

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12/15/2011 6:17 AM

I wouldn't expect much elongation for a metallic bolt being screwed into a plastic though....hmmm. Exactly, that's what I was getting at in #3

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12/15/2011 6:25 AM

Right you are mate.

He'll just have to suck it and see.

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12/15/2011 8:54 AM

In this case, he'll be relying on the spring characteristics of the flange rather than the bolt.

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12/15/2011 10:35 AM

What case? What flange?

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