Warmtouch Floor Tiles (Ceramic)

Surly you jest.

This is an electrically heated flooring system.

Hey, no problem...

http://www.warmtilefloors.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=DW&Category_Code=WT-FL

Thanks, but that is not the issue. The method should be in relation with coatings, nanoporous coatings like glaze you apply on the ceramic surface.

Oh, you mean like zirconia ceramics produced by a plasma-spraying technology...

http://www.zirox.co.in/advanced_materials_division.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yttria-stabilized_zirconia

http://www.americanelements.com/ysz.html

http://www.ultramet.com/ceramic_protective_coatings.html

http://www.thermopedia.com/content/173/?tid=108&sn=1202

http://www.ctsr-sunysb.org/new/publications.shtml

Then it wouldn't be anything like the Warmtouch tile system. SolarEagle provided a link to show the Warmtouch system, what it is, and how it works. What you would be wanting is something totally different. Like walking on styrofoam.

Guys,

stunny works in a ceramics factory and I suspect he wants to produce a competing product with our unwitting help.

Right:) But, maybe you can help me to find some scientific articles about this issue. Sometimes I cannot access article's links. This would really help me, if you have no idea! I can only access to siencedirect site.

I suspect that most information on this is proprietary.

Even with the best of insulation the tiles will be only room temperature. So they will not be warm to touch.

The only reason these type floors can claim warm touch is they are warmer then the ambient air in the room. They are heated.

No coatings produce heat with out some energy source. There is no magic in them.

The ozz man is right, no energy, no heat, no warm touch...

No, he is not right. He maybe is right to say its heat never will be more than ambient temperature, but there is a research about it. Our competitor has already made it. But it has not been selling , in case we analyse their product's elemental analysis by using XRD. So, wake up guys.

"But it has not been selling" Maybe there's a clue here...

Do you mean this product was never been produced? No. It was in fair. They have already demonstrated it.

If you will refer to my links in #5 , this material is used extensively throughout industry as a protective coating against heat...It is extremely low in thermal conductivity, and should be superior to anything else on the market...The coating can be very thin....You will have to calculate the cost and see if it's worth following thru with...good luck

Thanks, I will check it.

Maybe, this brings me some ideas.

Why not look for a catalyst that reacts with body oils? As ozzb said, your going to need to think outside the box.

Be forewarned, if I see my catalyst idea brought to market, I'll request, .5% royalties

Now thats what I call GA!!!!!

Your competitor made some snake oil that no one wants to buy so you think you can make better snake oil.

What are you trying to achieve with this miracle coating system? What benefit will it provide to to a consumer that can't be achieved otherwise?

Look at my last comment. Maybe this will help you.

Thanks. I read your last comment and I still have no idea what THE COATING is supposed to achieve.

I understand your aim completely. To make a saleable product. What is it?

If you are always going to try to play catch up to your industry leaders or competitors your company will never stand out. If you are R&D then you need to go beyond them. Think outside the box so to say. Not just follow the pack.

In that you follow them you are lead astray from the truth. You can't have something that's warm to touch that's not warmer then the ambient air. In even that it may need to be more then ten degrees warmer then the ambient air for anyone to perceive that it's warm.

Now this competitor you mention may have something. But what ever he has he's not telling or marketing it. That seem a little strange to produce a high tech flooring that gives off heat with no apparent energy source. And not go to market with it and tell the world.

You need energy to create heat. Even if the coating acquires the energy for heat through a chemical reaction in say oxidizing. To produce heat it would deplete it's self over time.

Nice suggestion and a good comment about heat. But, I think you do not know how market is important. Your, and some other ideas do not reflect the reality. It looks like to give up. As an example, there are hundreds of ceramic factories around the world and I want to build a new ceramic factory. Are you again going to make the same comment? "You cannot do what your competitors do". If you are a company,your first aim should cut down your cost. İf you produce cheaper and quality products, then you win. This is real world, welcome! Nobody cares ıf you first produced it. Right? So, we are not a R&D company, we are producer and I exactly know what the owner of the company wants. MONEY! I am R&D engineer, this is right, but not the inventor. At this point, you should just say "You do not need to explore USA second time". I mean that if there is something new, and if it is important, so first try to make it CHEAPER. Ceramic world is different nothing is sure, as a chemical&industrial engineer I can say that there are hundreds of things to explore, so you do not need to worry for me :) Now, I am also working on it. (my first project)

The idea of warm touch sounds like an advertizing slogan, not necessarily an accurate description of the temperature. This input has well described what you want to do. It does matter who is first, or cheapest, or quickest in delivery, or who has the best performance in heat transmission, resistance to breakage, quickest installation, etc., or marketing. So you need to find something that you can use to make money. Do you work with anyone in marketing or production who can brainstorm your input with you? such as what can your operation do better that your competition? if there is nothing, perhaps you need a different problem.

Ok, have you ever heard aerogel?? After careful searching, and without concentrating only on ceramics I found it. Its thermal conductivity is very low.

http://malzeme-bilimi-ve-muhendisligi.blogspot.com/2011/01/malzeme-bilimindeki-aerogel-ya-da-mavi.html

Look at these 2 videos.

http://www.cabot-corp.com/Applications

And your first attempt is some magic coating that makes tiles warm to touch? You come here and ask for some magical solution. As a chemical engineer you should know it's not possible to produce a coating that gives off heat with out some energy source. You use the base of you question that some competitor has it won't tell and not marketing it.

And you say my comments don't reflect reality?

Yesterday, lyn nearly made the same comment. I said that Warm touch floor tiles define something in my language. In your nation, maybe it reflects something about heat. If this is my fault, I am sorry for this. I tried to explain what I wanted. I again checked what I wrote at the starting. Certainly, I had explained. "Its base is to reduce thermal conductivity." If you are an engineer, as you said that I am a chemical engineer, you should know heating and thermal conductivity are totally different.

Anyway, your views and comments were really helpful. According to me, one idea can change everything. First, I only concentrated on coatings, and their applications on the ceramic surface, but maybe with your views I changed my point of view and found something to concentrate on.

Also, I know why I am here. I was not expecting magical chemical formulations. Honestly, I thought maybe there is something what I want in the world, but I do not know where it is.

Again, thanks for your comments and help.

Best wishes,

stunny

Well i dont know about "warm touch" floor tiles, but i have heard about floor tiles that keep COOLER than normal tiles or concrete when exposed to sunlight, or some other heat source. and therefore are cool to the touch even after prolonged exposure in the sun,unlike concrete or other tiles.

This is achieved with the help of a coating that helps dissipate heat faster from the surface and also have insulating properties to avoid conducting heat from the base,etc. This may not help you directly but gives you a direction to go on.

I have experienced the low thermal conductivity effect of a non-heated insulated floor. It does feel warm. Solar Eagle has provided several excellent responses (which I found very informative - esp #5). Thank you, SE. Exactly what are you bringing to the table, stunny?

Warm Touch is the commercial name for an ELECTRICALLY HEATED floor system.

Aerogel does not produce heat.

Ok, maybe in your country it defines electrically heated system, but in my country it defines something else. Anyway, I tried to explain what I really wanted, and this should not be the matter.

It matters not, at all, to me, but your use of the term has obviously confused other members of the forum.