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A Quick Phase AC Question

01/04/2012 4:36 AM

Hello everyone

I am trying to make a small three phase ac stator so a rotating magnetic field will be produced. I can use a ring with an outer diameter of 3 inches and an inner diameter of 1.5 inches with each of the six poles being 1 inch with about 100 turns of 24 magnet wire or a ring with an outer diameter of 8 inches and an inner diameter of 6 inches with each of the six poles being 2 inches with about 200 turns of 24 magnet wire. Since I live in the US we only have single phase ac, not three phase. I bought a variable frequency drive that produces three phase ac from single phase ac but it is only 4 amps and since I would like to make my magnetic field about .5 to 1 Tesla I do not know if that will be enough? Is it enough? Will this be enough turns to get the .5 to 1 Tesla?

The most important question I have regarding the three phase power is that I know you can use 3 individual single phase ac lines and use a capacitor to make two of the three legs 90 degrees apart. Is there a way to use capacitors to make the second leg 120 degrees out of phase from the first leg and the third leg 240 degrees out of phase from the first leg?

Or, how about just using two ac lines with one having a capacitor in series? Would that create a rotating magnetic field or would it be pulsing, as I want it to rotate counterclockwise in space around the inside of the stator ring?

oh the small ring is about 1/8 inch in depth with 1/8 inch depth coil forms(iron or steel) and the larger ring is about 1/8 inch in depth with 1/2 inch depth coil forms(iron or steel. If I need more turns then I will have to make overlapping layers. I am starting another thread to ask about how to overlap coil turn layers:

http://cr4.globalspec.com/thread/74881/Winding-Coils-Question

Thank you so much for your help.
Stephen

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Re: A Quick Phase AC Question

01/04/2012 10:30 AM

stephend420; have you ever taken apart a small 3 phase motor? many apartment buildings have 3 phase power. 3 phase is available every where in the USA. perry

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Re: A Quick Phase AC Question

01/04/2012 11:48 AM

Why don't you just tell us what your attempting to build(unless it's some overunity crap), so we can collaborate?

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Re: A Quick Phase AC Question

01/05/2012 10:25 AM

Why not go to your local motor repair shop and beg for a small 3 phase motor they are going to scrap all under 10 HP. anyway. Otherwise you are looking to build this?? COME-ON-MAN

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Re: A Quick Phase AC Question

01/05/2012 8:16 PM

WOW BUY A USED STATOR AND JUST BE DONE WITH IT HUH? Have you ever heard of the value of doing it yourself and really learning about three phase rotating magnetic field and plus I am making a small one where the length of the stator is only 5mm to .5inch?

And as I have said I am trying to research three phase rotating magnetic field. I am planning on it being part of my dissertation at Ga Tech so no overunity but unfortunately no collaberations either. I have to build and do all my own research.

So if I used just two AC lines with one having a series capacitor to make it 90 degrees out of phase, would the magnetic field rotate or pluseate? I really want the magnetic field to really rotate in the space around the inside of the stator ring

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Re: A Quick Phase AC Question

01/05/2012 8:26 PM

ok so I got a small rod of steel from Homedepot, got 24 magnet wire from RadioShack and round 100 turns on the rod of steel, super glueing the first and last turn as tape is so messy. But when I hooked up the top and bottom leads to a 3amp 12V DC power supply I bought from RadioShack, the steel did not become an electromagnet. It did not appear to be magnetic at all. What am I doing wrong??

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01/06/2012 3:22 AM

When you connected your newly wound electromagnet to the 12Vdc supply did you notice, by way of measurement, what the actual voltage was?

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01/07/2012 2:32 AM

Try disconnecting the wire from the power supply and checking for continuity with a multimeter (there may be an internal open circuit).

Good luck.

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Re: A Quick Phase AC Question

07/15/2012 8:56 AM

are you trying to make a generator with no moving parts?

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Re: A Quick Phase AC Question

07/17/2012 12:00 AM

Are you using the right kind of steel rod?

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