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High Voltage Alarm Show After Synchronizing Two Generators

02/19/2012 6:48 AM

My AE No.1 was burnt out stator and rewind from workshop.

After installed back tested run every thing is ok.

But synchronizing with No.2 and start cargo pump for load both AE show high voltage and high voltage alarm show. then remove No. 2 AE from the system.

The shore electrician told another No.2 AE stator also need rewind.

Both generator individual running is good. only problem in Parallel operation?

Please advise what should I check?

My alternator Hyundai HFCS-356-6 450 V 240 KV-385 AMP

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Re: High Voltage Alarm Show After Synchronizing Two Generators

02/19/2012 3:08 PM

Please advise what should I check?

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Re: High Voltage Alarm Show After Synchronizing Two Generators

02/19/2012 10:27 PM

Please check your avr... during parallel running please check power factor both generator

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02/19/2012 10:34 PM

thanks for help visa. i will do that.

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02/19/2012 11:00 PM

It seems that the 2 gensets are unable to synchronise or to remain so which might indicate governor or AVR problems.

Your synchronisation panel isn't doing its job if it allows the 2 gensets to couple in a non synchronised condition.

Were you able to determine what caused the AE1 stator to release its smoke in the first instance?

Is each AE capable of supporting the full load independently?

Is the rotation correct for each AE?

You need to determine what's going on with your synchro before you even try rewinding AE2 or putting it back into service.

Your protection systems aren't protecting very well are they? Something is not right. Is there a logbook for this setup? Look for words like "bypassed", "temporary repair", "removed", "replaced".... How long has this system been in service and where?

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02/20/2012 1:37 AM

Dear wal,

Thanks for your kind.

The AE-1 trouble of loss power, The Electrician tried 12 V battery and give power for exciting to stator then stator burnt, also residual voltage very low,.He decided to rewinding.

After rewinding The problem of high voltage in parallel two generator.

If single run no problem.

Do you think protective devices mal function?

thanks wal

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02/20/2012 1:58 AM

After reading that then I think any number of things might be malfunctioning.

It sounds like you have been let down badly by somebody whom you trusted would know what they were doing.

This is impossible to trouble shoot remotely and the installation's history strongly indicates that there may well be a lot of problems that are working in concert to ruin your day.

Find somebody at your location that really knows what they are doing to help you.

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02/20/2012 2:22 AM

Thanks alot wel.

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02/20/2012 7:31 AM

I don't have time to look up the specs on the Hundai generator, but from the voltages, I'm guessing it is a three phase alternator. You just had the stator rewound. There are two ways of rewinding a stator, Delta and Y (Star) wound.

Delta connections generate more power and are more efficient at high RPM's but have a higher cut-in speed, while generators wired in a Star configuration will have lower cut-in speeds with a higher voltage but generate less power at higher RPM's.

Sounds to me like the stator was wired in a different configuration than your #2. If that was the case, you can never get them to sync. Check the open or no load voltages of each output from common to output and then from each output to the other outputs. If they are not the same on both alternators, then you may have to get one of them re-wound to match.

Hope this helps.

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Re: High Voltage Alarm Show After Synchronizing Two Generators

02/20/2012 8:11 AM

I guessing these is ship power generator and normally onboard generator using star winding and ungrounded...

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02/20/2012 11:49 AM

Thanks for help me..its great and got much knowledge from your guys.

here is my generator connection diagram .

according to your discussion...I taught ,the problem could occur,

1. some protective devices out of function AVR damaged,

2. Stator burnt. may be diode too.

After rewound....

3. run with out of phase synchronizing caused of star and delta rewind stator (or)

parallel run with phase opposition due to defective diode rectifier.

how about this...

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02/21/2012 6:27 AM

How is #10 off topic?

OP, you are at a point where you know that something is broken but you don't know what.

The course of action in this situation is to start checking what is working.

You listed a couple of things that you suspect might be wrong. Start checking them.

What is the present situation with your plant? AE 1and 2 definitely toasted, AE1 toasted and 2 suspect, Both OK separately but not happy together....or something else. You really need to define the fault. The fault you see may not be the actual fault but the result of others. Don't mix up faults and symptoms.

What is your level of experience? Are you alone(besides the guy with the battery)?

What type of alternator is this?

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02/21/2012 7:05 AM

Ok back to our topic, now your problem is unable to sync ae1 and ae2... basic to sync generator is.. 1. Same voltage 2. Same frequency (or incoming little bit higher) 3. Same phase Have you check all theses....

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