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Electromagnetic Engine/Solenoid Engine

03/12/2012 11:36 AM

hey..hiee..i would like to know whether solenoid engine after optimisation can be used in automobiles for electrically powered cars instead of using d.c. motors to overcome the speed limitations??

As well as i would also like to know whether such type of engine will give better speeds and efficiencies than that of the rotary motors or else it would be just a throwback in times when rotary motors were not in use???

Please post your sincere opinions....And forgive me if I am being wrong..

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Re: Electromagnetic engine/solenoid engine

03/12/2012 11:57 AM

Hmm let me think?
Maybe you have invented the reciprocating wheel?
No?
Wheels require rotary motion. Plenty of cleverly designed electric motors have been designed to give rotary motion. It seems contrary in the extreme to try and invent some sort of reciprocating electric motor which then has to convert to rotary motion to drive the wheel.
Or am I missing some vital point in all this?
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03/13/2012 7:32 AM

Thank you for your precious opinion friend. But is it not possible to make it somewhat more superior and optimised with latest technology available today??

I think it would be a great advancement if it would be done. the basic thinking behind this is to make some substitute arrangement when your vehicle is running out of fuel to make it reach to the patrol pump..

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Re: Electromagnetic Engine/Solenoid Engine

03/12/2012 2:19 PM

Do you mean something like this

Solenoid Engine

If so, then no. By its very nature converting the force of an explosion pushing a piston (as in a standard internal combustion engine) to the force of an electric solenoid coil pushing a piston is not going to be energy efficient or practical.

Ignoring the simple designs on the internet that are not doing anything except causing light weight wheels to rotate against no resistance could it even be scaled up for a real world vehicle for road travel?

You could probably use the existing internal combustion engine design and shape, modify it heavily with electric coils and electronics, add lots of batteries and beef up the vehicle wiring harness, all the while shedding as much weight as possible. Even then it would be touch and go if you could actually generate enough torque to get the vehicle to move.

The answer to the internal combustion engine is the electric motor, which is far superior in every way to the solenoid engine concept.

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03/13/2012 7:35 AM

It is not something like soloenoid engine..but it is something like

"solenoid hybrid engine" the concept behind this is to provide an arrangement when your vehicle is running out of petrol...to make it reach to the petrol pump...

This will be the first step..followed by "electromagnetically aided heat engine"..

I seek your expert opinion in this case...

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03/13/2012 9:21 AM

"...to make it reach to the petrol pump..."

Okay. In this event, what provides the energy to run this engine "...to make it reach to the petrol pump..."?

Motorcycles have a feature with this in mind. When you run out of fuel, there is a small fuel reserve on board "...to make it reach to the petrol pump...". Can this be adapted to cars easier than your idea?

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03/15/2012 11:37 AM

Okay ..got it ..Thanks..

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03/13/2012 1:59 PM

No, it still wouldn't be as efficient as either a pure internal combustion engine, a hybrid internal combustion/electric motor engine or a pure electric motor engine.

There is no way to optomise the solenoid engine concept that I can see, the electrical principles and physics are well known and using exotic materials or adding patented ideas (or 'tweeks') to the design is only going to result in a small increase in system efficiency (its biggest hurdle), but due to known physical and electrical principles the system can never be as efficient and good as the existing systems I mentioned in the first paragraph. This is ignoring all the additional problems of the solenoid engine such as reliability, cost, torque, etc when compared to existing proven systems.

Simple bench-top tests using mocked-up models will give you a clearer idea if you still have any doubts. Solenoid engines just aren't the answer and are hoplessly inferior to the next closest thing the electric motor which is used to efficiently power modern vehicles from electricl motorcycles and cars through to electric drones and aircraft.

There is a reason why industry uses motors.

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03/12/2012 7:33 PM

I think it would make a great desk top toy for my office.

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This machine will run for practically forever on one $.39USD cell because once the device is put into motion it will continue to rotate on it's own power as the coil is generating energy with each power stroke, even as some energy is used to push the coil in the opposite direction. We call it out TWO-stroke model.

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03/13/2012 7:39 AM

That would indeed be a good toy..but I am thinking for some real life engines...Will it be possible??

And sorry for this one but I could not get what do you exactly mean by your comment.. Probably because I am being weak in communicating through english language...!!

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03/13/2012 9:17 AM

So, you want to have a hybrid vehicle?

One with a regular petrol engine AND a solenoid engine?

Those already exist and are being sold every day. The have a conventional petrol engine and a "conventional" electric rotating engine which is much more efficient than a reciprocating electric engine.

Don't quit your day job, just yet.

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