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Can Wood be Powder Coated?

03/24/2012 12:43 AM

I powder coat metal parts quite a bit.The procedure is SOP:

1. static charge the target,

2. spray the powder and

3. bake, usually at 400 degrees F for ten minutes.

However, I would like to create the same coating on a ring made from Baltic Birch Plywood.

1. I've never tried to charge wood with static electricity. Should I even bother?

2. How long can I expect the wood to last at those temps before I do damage?

Before I even try testing this idea. . . . . has anyone here every tried to powder coat wood?

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03/24/2012 12:54 AM

No.

You might be able to spray a conductive coating on the wood first, then charge and coat.

Curing will be difficult because when you heat the wood, to cure the coating, gasses will be driven off that will bubble the coating. Like spraying a sponge and heat curing it.

I'd warm the wood, use a liquid spray paint and let it dry/cure in the shade.

But, what do I know?

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03/24/2012 4:19 AM

check-out "bronzed baby shoes" on the web.

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03/24/2012 1:11 PM

Yes. Sorry lyn.

These guys have system to powder coat wooden bow handles. I think it would work for your piece.

http://www.innovocsolutions.com/

http://www.btdwoodpowdercoating.com/

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03/24/2012 1:30 PM

I've found, that with things like this, if you bypass the sales department and go to the tech department, they are usually pretty helpful.

If this is a one time deal, you may be able to get them to send a free sample of their product. Just enough to git r done.

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03/24/2012 8:51 PM

Well, kinda..................

The bow handles are plastic, not wood in the first site. btdwood coats MDF, which, to me, isn't "wood", but a composite.

Wood, to me, is the stuff you cut off of trees and use unaltered.

Del uses "wood" to make bows.

There I go again. Being anal.

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03/24/2012 9:35 PM

My bad. I was looking at the "wooden" bow grip. It looks a lot like the stuff that comes from trees. Here in NC we just call it wood.

Somebody needs to contact both of these sites and tell them that what they are doing is impossible.

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03/24/2012 10:38 PM

OK, have it your way. I'm wrong, again.

Yes, powder coating wood is possible, if not done all the time.

You're going to have a headache in the morning.

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03/24/2012 10:57 PM

One of the many reasons that I'm hated is because I don't get headaches.

It's a little weird. I drank last night until about 1:30. Got up at 7, drove 20 miles to meet clients. All went well. And have been drinking since I got home. I don't drink during the week though...............much.

I don't really know what a hangover is. I just drink water and I get less drunk until I'm sober.

I'm about to turn 50, and I think I've had about 6 headaches in my life. The biggest one was in human female form. It had legs and it could talk endlessly.

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03/25/2012 7:44 AM

I too, am one of the few that do not suffer from hangovers.That makes it more dangerous for me to drink:No pain.(Must be that Carolina air.)

I had a problem with this when I was younger, was slowly turning into a drunk.

My wife made me see that I was following the steps of my stepfather,whom I at first detested, but later came to understand.I will not pass judgement on anyone,for we are all heirs to the same heritage.

I am just thankful that my love for my wife and kids exceeded my weakness.

We have been together over 40 years, and I have been blessed with great kids,and grandchildren.

I can now take an occasional drink, and I really enjoy good Scotch.But I know when to quit.

Some say I am walking a thin line, and that may be true, but "A little poison is physic." as the Roman physicians used to say.

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03/25/2012 8:12 AM

Good on ya! Long lasting relationships are the exception, not the rule, these days.

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03/25/2012 10:26 AM

Yeah, I used to rage hard when I was younger. I'll still get with it on the weekends. Over the years I've learned to set rules for myself. I've also been drinking for years with the same people, so it's always fun.............no real craziness.

I've always felt that just about anything in moderation is alright................not for everybody though. I've known people that just couldn't stop, whether it was alcohol or something else. Some of them are dead.

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03/26/2012 10:41 AM

I coated that part. It's a clear coat polyester powder coat over nylon. The graphics are 3D sublimation. Cool Stuff.

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03/26/2012 10:49 AM

Hi Dave,

So, tell my friend, who posted the picture, is the part wood??????

As the hungover one said, "It looks a lot like the stuff that comes from trees. Here in NC we just call it wood."

He's so clever.

I admit that I was wrong when I stated that "wood" could not be powder coated, and I stand corrected.

But I just hate it when he's right and I'm wrong.

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03/26/2012 11:10 AM

The substrate is nylon. The powder coating was done using the Innovoc Process at our previous location in Sparta WI. (Innovoc is now in Montrose Co.)

You are not completely wrong though Lyn, there will be out gas artifacts in the final finish. Hard woods have grain that is made up of pores. Heat up those pores and stuff comes out. Best bet would be to use a textured low cure epoxy, a little texture forgives a lot of sins!

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03/26/2012 4:15 PM

"You are not completely wrong though Lyn".

See, I'm making progress. I've gone from being completly worng to being, not completely wrong".

Dave, it's a pleasure to have you here. Please hang around.

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Re: Can Wood be Powder Coated?

03/24/2012 4:36 PM

One way to powder coat wood is 'dip-coating'. Hard woods which can withstand high temperatures but lower than the rotomoulding powders can be powder coated by simple dip-coating method. A dip-coating tank containing powdered plastic over a screen below which air is blown can be used for coating small articles with quite ease.

Some polymers do not need high melting temperature and hard wood won't char at reasonably high temperatures too.

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03/24/2012 10:38 PM

You might try using a powder coat process that uses UV light to cure, not heat. we used this process on some plastic and wood handles on a customers showcase's that had to match for high end convention displays. These show cases were for their new product line that year. The last time I saw that customer the cases in question were still being used for their original purpose and still looked like new after 5 years.Powder coat is a very durable product and not all that expensive, make sure the moisture level is extremely low or you will have some shrinkage but once sealed you should not have a lot of expansion or contraction, at least not for some time. Duke

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03/25/2012 3:49 AM

But of course! Here's a supplier:

http://www.fusionuv.com/

Using UV rather than heat to cure your coating solves lots of problems, not the least of which is providing adequate ventilation in a home workshop environment. Forty years ago I was a casualty of an improperly vented curing oven in a manufacturing facility. It produced full-blown hepatitis without benefit of germs, and a ten-week involuntary absence from work.

In addition, the effect of raising wood to high temperatures is generally not benign. Thermal curing of a powder coating is likely to affect the physical characteristics of some kinds of wood adversely, and may even char it.

Just remember to size your ring to allow for the one-and-a-half to three mil thickness of the coating. Good luck!

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03/26/2012 6:13 PM

you proposed a good solution but the OP doesn't want to move his object...he wants to coat it in situ, if I am not wrong. For UV coating you need an oven and object has to pass through it. But again the OP doesn't have enough funds to do that. Difficult kinda situation, ain't it not???

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03/25/2012 7:38 AM

I've had a few things powder coated and by the very nature of the hard finish I would have thought that it wouldn't be stable enough, the wood that is, thats apart from the fact that wood sweats, expands & contracts and generally moves constantly.

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03/25/2012 9:17 PM

YES .. use a base metallic filler coat and prepare the wood properly .. put object into oven to bring to temperature before powder on it

use a slow low heat bake powder.. to minimise disruption, If your powder guy cant help you with this, look elsewhere It can be done.. have done hard wood .. soft wood and laminated boards..Boat building is starting to use it now..

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03/26/2012 2:46 PM

I have an idea!!

Mix soot (or Kajal as it is called in Indic) in any acrylic car paint which uses hardener...and spray over the object or just paint it with the brush. Applying lamp heat or leaving the object in strong sunshine will do the curing and do the job.

Another method is to polish the surface black ( with soot) after doing the filling... zinc sulphate might work ...if you do not want to use ready-made putty or wood filler. Sand it off wet and spirit polish or lacquer when dry.

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03/26/2012 2:50 PM

Did you not read the title? Can Wood be Powder Coated?

Powder is dry.

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03/26/2012 3:04 PM

yes, powder is dry, I know that but sometimes it is mixed to make pomade as well!

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03/26/2012 4:03 PM

There's one other problem with the proposed method, primarily:

1. static charge the target,

The gun charges the powder. If you cannot dissipate the net negative charge, the similarly charged powder particles will not be good neighbors and kick each other off the part. You need to have some method of making the surface of the part conductive. I suggest Ramsprep (I think that's what it's called.) But, Ramsprep is a salt and will leave a residue that telegraphs to the powder coated surface. Rohm & Hass used to make it, I don't know if it's still around. If this is for a mass production method call Kevin @ Innovoc.

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03/26/2012 4:19 PM

you are right, there are two well-know powder coating processes..

1 Static powder coating

2. Dip-coating

I dunno what the OP wants to do??

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03/26/2012 4:26 PM

My experience with fluidized bed (dip) coating requires that the part be pre-heated to melt the powder on contact.

I don't think that is the process used here.

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03/26/2012 4:31 PM

I know but you can use a low-melting point plastic powder.....after you have done the filling.

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03/26/2012 5:56 PM

Thanks to everyone. I enjoyed the humor as well as the diverse opinions. The parts are hoops cut from half-inch thick (15/32nd actually) Baltic Birch, 18.5-inch outside diameter. 16-inch inside diameter.

Part of the reason for considering PC was to hide minor surface imperfections when cutting the prototypes (a router and circle cutter with a half inch bit).

I've dead lines that must be kept. If I screw up these parts in the oven, there will be Hell to pay so I'll be content using a flat black enamel.

Static charging the wood is my biggest question. When I do get around to trying this process, I'll experiment with spray painting copper paint as a primer. That paint actually has real copper in it.

I've used that spray before to create a conductive ground planes inside the fuselages of composite aircraft to improve the signal strength on VHF and UHF antenna's.

If it will do that, it might just hold enough of a charge to hang onto the powder while baking,

Thanks all for the support.

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Re: Can Wood be Powder Coated?

05/28/2015 1:30 AM

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06/02/2017 9:52 PM

You can powder coat wood main thing you need is the wood to have a proper moisture content and to be dense enough to withstand heat. You want moisture to be properly balanced or it will cause issues with outgassing, making powder coating wood a bit more sensitive to heat. Birch is not a wood I have seen powder coated doesn't mean its necessarily impossible. This guide covers all the things to consider if your going to try powder coating wood.

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