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Motor Starter Circuit Diagram

03/24/2012 2:01 AM

ON motor starter diagrams (both DOL and star delta), there is a system of numbering such as 13, 14 for NO contacts and 21, 22 for NC contacts and 97, 98 for overload relay.

What is the basis of such a numbering system?

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Re: Motor Starter Circuit Diagram

03/24/2012 2:31 AM

That is the terminal marking stated on respective component as per the standard.....NEMA, IEC etc.

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03/24/2012 8:39 AM

Thank you very much for your prompt response.

I have one more question: is there a NEMA or IEC standard on these component markings or are the markings from the manufacturer of the relevant component,

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03/24/2012 8:23 AM

Number are used to id terminations, terminals, wires (both ends of) and components in an electrical circuit.

If you study your electrical drawing you will see, for example, a NO contact on a relay or contactor has the numbers "13 & 14". In many cases the wire coming off terminal "14" might be numbered "14", that is, the builder of the panel has continued the numbering system onto the wire so you can trace that wire to its next connection.

Imagine if you can, looking at a electrical panel with all RED wires running all over the place and you have a fault! You will have to trace EACH wire, however if they have number or even letters or a mixture of both... then its as easy as reading the diagram!

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03/24/2012 8:46 AM

Thank you for your time.

I have one more question please: is there a standrd procedure for such numbering or is it left to the designer to randomly number the contacts and wires? From the other response from Mr Abele, it appears that the numbers correspond to those marked by the manufacturer of the components e.g on the thermal overload relay or on the level relay.

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03/24/2012 1:37 PM

AS you have read in the answers preceding this, my latest one, there is a standard for numbering on components, so i'll not dwell on that which has been explained.

As for the other part, in reference to cables.. that does depend on the designer, and in some cases the person who actually builds the circuit/control panel... but mainly on the designer.

As I said in my first answer, there is nothing worse than looking at a panel of wires and components and having no idea where they go to/from.

For the "CE" mark to be given to assembled panel, it is part of the certification that ALL cables be marked with number/letters and a "As Built" drawing plus commissioning certificates of quality control be included in the documentation.

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03/24/2012 11:32 AM

The numbers you are referring to here are all from an IEC standard. It is a very strict system, the positions of the evices even dictate the numbering. So for example if you see a set of contacts that are numbered 13, 14, that not only tells you they are NO, it also tells you they are on the left side of the device they are attached to. I'm going strictly by my damaged brain cells, but I want to say this is IEC standard 60531. I'm probably wrong though. If you look in the technical section of any large IEC component mfr catalog like Siemens, there will be an explanation of this and citation of the IEC standard that applies to it.

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Re: Motor Starter Circuit Diagram

03/24/2012 12:04 PM

Let me try to clarify:

There are two digits in the designation. The first digit signifies the sequence of the contact. The second digit - signifies if the contact is NO or NC; 3 & 4 designates an N.O. Contact and 1 & 2 designates an N.C. contact.

So,let us say, if you have 1st Contact N.C., second N.O. third N.C. and fourth N.O., the numbering should be:

11-12, 23-24, 31-32 & 43-44.

Alternately, if the firrst contact is N.O., second N.C., third N.O. and fourth N.C, then the numbering should be:

13-14, 21-22, 33-34 & 41-42

Hope it is clear now.

And, as told earlier, these are specified by the Standards and every manufacturer must follow these designations only.

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03/24/2012 10:51 PM

On all of the relays I have used in the past 13 and 14 are coil terminations.

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03/25/2012 4:57 AM

I have commonly seen, at least in Europe, A1 and A2 used for coil terminations.

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03/25/2012 12:54 AM

Thanks, your explanation is clear and precise. I have a further question. To my understanding, NO or NC condition is when a motor or any circuit is not running or not in operation. Please let me know if I am right.

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03/25/2012 1:26 AM

You are correct, when the component is at rest, (Non energized) it is considered N.O. / N.C. positions. In the case of the Overload, in the Non tripped condition N.O / N.C. is the same as above.

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03/24/2012 12:40 PM

It's IEC 60947.

Had a 60 in it anyway...

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