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PLC Going to Offline Mode

04/08/2012 2:30 AM

Hello everyone,

We have an effluent plant which runs on allenbradley, Flexlogix PLC. We are facing a repetitive problem with it, very often after a power change over the PLC is going into offline mode and stops communicating with the SCADA PC. After this we have to connect the PLC to RSLogix 5000 and put it back to RUN mode and then it works normal. The PLC panel is fed from a UPS power supply and we have observed that it is working fine and there is no visible lag or dip in switching when there is a power change over.

One service engineer suggested to change the PLC battery and check the UPS output voltage, i have done both and found UPS output voltage is also normal.

I am unable to comprehend what could be problem is it with the UPS generating some spike or harmonic during a power change over? how do i measure it?

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Re: PLC going to offline mode

04/08/2012 2:48 AM

Check for power on protocol. I suspect that your power glitch is telling the PLC to start fresh at whatever protocol setting is set. In this case, offline.

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Re: PLC going to offline mode

04/08/2012 1:50 PM

Agreed.

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Re: PLC Going to Offline Mode

04/09/2012 5:20 AM

Some servers have power supply ends that are very sensitive to power changes. In my experience installing backup power for servers I have often had to abandon the use of UPS as the bridge between the different power sources for the server. Xantrex inverters have proved invaluable. The reason is that while the UPS depends on fast switching time to achives uninterruptible power supply, sine wave Xantrex or Outback inverters hold both power sources in real time. Power outage translates to a mere drop off of one of the sources. No fast switching is required for sustainability and no interruption occurs in the power supply end of the server. We have used this design to achieve a permanent solution to the re-boot problem that sometimes results from power interruption/auto-changeover in servers. Rev. Ukaegbu Ogwo (Solartime Electric Ltd., Nigeria)

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Re: PLC Going to Offline Mode

04/09/2012 11:31 AM

In order to avoid a momentary loss of power to the PLC the PLC backplane really needs to be plugged directly into the UPS if at all possible.

Also;

Access the PLC processor fault table, review the fault codes, record all faults, and identify the cause of failure. (Example: The PLC may be going off line due to "Loss of comunications.)

Correct the root-cause of all minor and major fault(s) .

Be sure to reset/clear all Processor and I/O faults after you note/record and correct them so that the fault register is purged/cleaned.

REASON: The PLC fault register is normally not a FIFO due to being critical to system operational safety.The register has a finite quantity of memory and will not delete any critical or major faults therefore it gets "stuffed",and once the register is full it will go into overflow anytime a new error is experienced, and will shut the machine down (go offline).

Check the configuration of your "S" bit table assignment and edit accordingly to fit your operating philosophy and operating conditions. (see programming instruction set for explanation)

Consider using the "flash" memory option to store your program.

Keep in mind that once the "flash" memory option is invoked, any future programming editing will require a total erasure (dump) of the existing "flashed" program before loading any changes/edits.

Failure to follow this simple procedure will cause the PLC to revert back to the original "flashed" program and will not save any new changes.

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Re: PLC Going to Offline Mode

04/16/2012 12:24 PM

What exactly do you mean by a power change over?

If your SCADA PC is collecting data and the file becomes too large, it may cause communication failures. Make sure you don't have excessively large data files being appended on the PC. If so, you may need to archive that file (by changing its name) and begin again.

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