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Powder Coating Over Silicon Bronze Weldment

05/04/2012 7:16 AM

Hi.

Anyone familiar with powdercoating of steels knows that silicon is a " toxin " to the powdercoating process.

It causes contamination of the process line , causes lack of adhesion of the powder coating and is very difficult to eliminate once any of it creeps in to the plant.

We have an item that must be welded with Silicon Bronze weld metal using MIG due to the thin 0.7 mm zinc plated sheet metal and requirement for minimal distortion .

We cant use TIG process with steel filler rod because the time and costs would blow out too much , and MIG process with steel wire ( ER70- S4 ) cant be used because it blows holes through the sheetmetal and reacts poorly with the zinc plating , whereas Silicon bronze tolerates the zinc plating and wont blow holes through the joint , although it requires lowest minimum settings on an pulse MIG inverter welder with stepless arc voltage adjustment ( arc volts average setting is 14.6 volts )

I am looking for opinions on how to gaurantee we wont contaminate the powdercoat line using this weld metal.

The welding wire has 3.4 % silicon , but most of it burns off during welding , there is a small amount of silicon scale residue on the weld surface which is ground off before plating.

The welding and grinding process is carried out at another location.

Can anyone advise how much if any silicon would remain in the weld metal ?

Are there any solvents we can use before coating that would dissolve any remaining silicon present on the surface ?

We have carried out coating of some small weld samples and found them to coat well with no pitting , but we have heard of another site where this process was carried out where they had contamination of the coating line and couldnt determine if the silicon bronze was to blame ( or if a neighboring business had caused contamination from overspray by painting their factory roof at the same time )

anyone got experience with the above and can share opinions please ?

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Re: Powder coating over silicon bronze weldment

05/04/2012 7:32 AM

This seems to be the primary one that turns turns up. There are a few others. These people will typically send you a sample to do some tests.

http://www.prosoco.com/Products/f6df7cd4-4a03-4d4f-a490-19e68fc6cfa4

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05/04/2012 8:23 AM

Are you sure you're not confusing "silicon" with "silicone"?

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05/04/2012 8:43 AM

I was just assuming he left off the "e".

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05/04/2012 9:06 AM

As far as I can tell from the 'net, it's silicone that affects powder coating (which obviously isn't to be found in welding rods).

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05/04/2012 9:07 AM

Silicon Bronze is SiCu

Silicone is Si-O , SiOH or SiH

I dont know what the difference is in between those three in terms of effect on powdercoating when the welding heat might convert it into a free state of Si.

I know for a fact that Silicone is banned from the premises for its known effects on the process.

I am here to look for more knowledge from you gentlemen on this topic than what i have

My industry is design and manufacturing of the steel products

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05/04/2012 11:54 AM

Are you actually experiencing a problem?

Silicon bronze looks to be ideal for what you're doing.

http://metalshapers.org/101/covell/covell-silbronze.shtml

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05/04/2012 1:27 PM

I'm sure OP is confused.

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05/04/2012 10:46 PM

Powdercoating ovens hit about 230 degrees C at the most so it won't vaporise the metal and release the silicon. Silicon isn't a problem as it is in a lot of alloys that get powder coated, in particular aluminium. Silicone is what causes issues with powdercoating.

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05/05/2012 1:33 AM

thanks for your accurate clarification

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05/07/2012 2:51 PM

You're absolutely correct in that Silicon is no problem. I made thousands of aluminum castings in 356 aluminum (7% Silicon) and in 319 aluminum (6% Silicon) that were eventually powder coated. Since silicone spray is basically almost a dry lubricant that withstands higher temperatures it makes sense that it would be an anathema to a powder coating process just as any oils would have to be removed prior to the process.

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05/05/2012 11:23 AM

Silicone with an "e" is a polymer. It is the polymer that causes the issues with the coating process since it acts as a luricant. Silicon with no "e" is a metalloid. Two different materials wirh similar words that are commonly confused. Sort of like people saying "silicone valley"...

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05/05/2012 7:45 PM

I gave you a GA for that, even though I'm not sure what a 'luricant' is. Is that a substance that helps you attract women?

Of course I knew you meant 'lubricant'...

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05/05/2012 9:02 PM

Ah crap! Typed it on my phone not to mention my wife says I need glasses. It's "lubricant" but I definitely like the "luricant" concept. :-)

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