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Semiconductor Fuses Are Blowing Frequently

06/25/2012 1:19 PM

Hi all,

we have some dc drives in our plant and all are provided with semiconductor fuses(Make: Bussmann 170M3023) but these semiconductor fuses are blowing very frequently under following conditions:

1. In normal operation.

2. Some fuses are blown even on no load that is drive panel was just ON and it wasn't delivering power to the motor.

3. Most fuses blown at the time of Main power failure.

wt could be the reason behind this. please help me to understand this mystery.

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Re: Semiconductor fuses are blowing frequently.

06/25/2012 2:01 PM

The fuses (Bussmann 170M3023) are very fast circuit protection devices that I suspect are doing their job of preventing further equipment damage. In other words, when these fuses blow the circuit was drawing considerably more than 630 amperes of current. This current could be because of a momentary short, the back EMF from your motors, the capacitors in your driver or phase correction breaking down, or you maybe just overheating these fuses so that they are more susceptible to false protections. I would consider using a fast Current Transformer and storage oscilloscope to monitor and store the current happening at a failure condition. Then analyze the rest of the whole circuit (not just this fuse) to consider why this trip happened. You might then and only then be able to add some saturating inductance in the line to slow down fast current transients. Add the reactance only if you determine that something else is not failing.

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Re: Semiconductor Fuses Are Blowing Frequently

06/26/2012 3:06 AM

If it is a reversible drive, please check the circulating current.

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Re: Semiconductor Fuses Are Blowing Frequently

06/26/2012 8:39 AM

Check for loose wire on the gate driver synchro of accumulated dirt that could produce un-controlled firing angle from vibration...

Do a wire pull test on all of the drive control wiring. (Turn the power off first...)

There could be an intermittent in the electronic boards too.

You might need to push on different areas of the boards with an insulated rod during operation to see if you can trigger the problem. Apply reasonable force and be extremely careful. Make sure that the rod is long enough to keep you out of danger. This procedure might be illegal in you area. Check first.

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Re: Semiconductor Fuses Are Blowing Frequently

06/26/2012 9:37 AM

aR fuses are not overload protection fuses but Short-circuit protection so will fuse before the Semiconductor(s) is damaged. Its I(Squared)t is much shorter than of semiconductor.

<<3. Most fuses blown at the time of Main power failure. >> this is normal as the malfunction of electronics on powershut downs.

Now I have read a new type of semiconductor overload protection fuse marked gR which new for me.

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06/26/2012 9:59 AM

Heat is the greatest and most common threat to electronics. Are the air vents, heat sinks, and cooling fans clean and functioning properly. Are the drives located in a place prone to dust and dirt accumulation. Compressed air in hands of a qualified technician may be all that is needed to restore proper air flow. Avoid solvents.

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06/26/2012 1:42 PM

Mr. Redfred all drives are installed in properly ventilated with cooling blower so heat factor is very low. All drives also contains a line reactor in its incoming ckt.

Its lil confusing that fuse are blowing on the drives which are not in service ie they r just power ON and no load is connected across them. If there is some problem(short circuit) in incoming side then it shouldn't affect the fuses connected on outgoing side. Incoming side is protected with ABB ACB. Drives are not situated in vibrating place.

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06/26/2012 2:19 PM

I understand that it is confusing to have parts fail that should not be seeing any current at all. All that this means is that the circuit is not what you expect it to be. You must initially forget your ideas about how the circuit should work and safely test to see how it is working. If you measure the current through these fuses, when they blow, and find that the current never exceeds 630 amperes then you may have defective fuses, counterfeit fuses, or your testing procedure is imprecise. More than likely you will find that higher than expected surge currents are actually happening. The duration and conditions that trigger these current spikes may help lead you to discover the root of your mystery. They may only trick you to better understand how your system works.

What you have here is a mystery. The only way a mystery can be solved is with more information. We can help you analyze that new information but we cannot provide you with the information itself.

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Re: Semiconductor Fuses Are Blowing Frequently

06/26/2012 2:28 PM

"ventilated with cooling blower so heat factor is very low"

Although the system's circuit boards are being cooled down by a fan or a blower and temperature inside your controller box has been normalized, it is very possible that a lot of dust has also accumulated, coating all over your electronic components. I had experience this same scenario, specially in a very humid conditions that sensitive fuses will unexpectedly blow as triggered by the combination of dust accumulations and high humidity! It is also a good preventive maintenance practice to include vaccuming as an added step during that process. The dustier the area the more the cleaning frquency required. It will save you a lot of time and unnecessary headaches!

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06/26/2012 3:19 PM

I am extremely proud of my ability to solve problems remotely.Vsar has experience, with a problem similar to your's. I hope we can help. Please shut down the power, discharge all the capacitors (if needed), and examine the components of your drives, for the accumulation of dust or dirt. Clean is really cool. I wish you the best of luck with this mystery.

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Re: Semiconductor Fuses Are Blowing Frequently

06/26/2012 7:35 PM

Relevant facts we know and side issues we don't know:

  1. His loads are DC Drives, but likely the fuses are on the AC input side, i.e. ahead of the rectifier.
  2. Some blow with ZERO LOAD, but that likely just means that the DC motors are not in operation on the load side.
  3. Most of the fuses blow at the time of a power failure. Presumably they likely blow BEFORE the power failure, it's just that he doesn't KNOW that they are blown until the power is restored.

Power failure events are not static and solitary events, they are usually the RESULT of another catastrophic even on the system somewhere. So the fact that the fuses clear is, as was mentioned earlier, more likely a blessing than a curse.

Since I can only guess, I'll guess that these power failure events are preceded by large power system spikes. If your DC drives are the older SCR type, SCRs can "self commutate" (turn themselves on without being gated on) in the presence of high dV/dt events; dV/dt means change (delta) in Voltage / delta in time, in other words a rapid rise in voltage in a short period of time, a "spike" if you will. In an older power supply unit like a DC drive that is using SCRs as a bridge rectifier instead of diodes because they want voltage control, you can run the risk of self commutation, causing a short circuit event INSIDE of the rectifier itself. Usually there is a small RC (resistor + capacitor) circuit board, called a "snubber" that is intended to prevent this from happening. But if you have repeated dV/dt events, you can burn out the snubber boards, which means you lose the protection they provided. The next step is SCRs all firing at the same time, which if you look at an H bridge diagram, means there is a bolted fault between them and they fail, which is what your fuses have been preventing.

Hopefully...

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Re: Semiconductor Fuses Are Blowing Frequently

06/26/2012 10:39 PM

A spike or surge occurring on the primary power reticulation network is not uncommon during a power interruption event.

Your reticulation network would be loaded by all manner of loads just prior to the event, many of them would be reactive. The back EMF of these loads will momentarily energise your network when the power is disrupted. The energy is dissipated through all connected loads.

Even though your DC drive is iself unloaded it would still be connected to the primary power reticulation network, ie the "idle" DC drive is still a load through which the back EMF will dissipate.

What other loads are on the same branch circuit as that supplying your DC drive? Is your facility equipped with surge reduction filters?

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Re: Semiconductor Fuses Are Blowing Frequently

06/27/2012 9:45 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermistor

only use if your DC network has no overcurrents

(i speculate (far assumption) the DC net developes short time power demand to whitch the DC Power Supply can't respond - fast enough - so it provides short term overvoltage just after the demand - that causes a secondary 1 - so the thermistors are needed before the DC Power Supply - so it cant go nuts - ? bad system DC network design ? - /!\ it's a high time speculation /!\ - someone has to verify)

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Re: Semiconductor Fuses Are Blowing Frequently

06/27/2012 12:25 PM

CONTACT THE EQUIPMENT MANUFACTURE AND GET HIS ADVICE.

Years ago, the fast blow fuses cost more than the devices they were protecting. It was cheaper to use ordinary fuses and let the SCR's or transistors fail. The SCR's or transistors frequently had higher current ratings than the fuses and they didn't fail.

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Re: Semiconductor Fuses Are Blowing Frequently

04/01/2017 4:52 AM

Hello did you ever find out what was causing your fuses to blow? I am presently having a similar situation at work, fuses blowing as soon at about 650 amp whereas the drive should be able to supply up to 2000A, depending on the current limit setting.

The drive can assign to a few dc motors but usually fuses blow when one particular motor is assigned, but it has happened as well when running a different motor (above 600a). This motor has been changed out 3 times.

The set up is 2 x 700v 700A fuses in paralell on each supply phase to the bridge. Multiple fuses have blown.

From reading experts below I am now thinking one of the capacitors or maybe dust may damaged one of the cards. I was looking if noise might be on the com line but the other drives are ok.

Any help would be great.

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