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Measurement of Forging Plate Movement

07/03/2012 11:57 AM

Hello All,

I work in a closed-die forging company, and would like your input on a measurement concept.

Making it simple and not too verbose, I have two plates mounted in my forging press, one above the other. The lower plate is stationary, and when the press is at TDC, the upper plate is suspended by springs 70mm above the lower plate. At press BDC, the tooling will push the upper plate down anywhere from 10-30mm (40-60mm between plates).

I'd like a more effective way to measure this "cushion stroke" from outside the press. I cannot stop the press at BDC to measure (unsafe). My method right now is to wad up a ball of aluminum foil, stuff it in the space, stroke the press, and measure the foil thickness afterwards. I'm envisioning a type of telescoping gage design, but haven't quite jelled it out yet.

Any thoughts would be most appreciated.

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Re: Measurement of Forging Plate Movement

07/03/2012 2:07 PM

Something like a pair of internal clipers with a stiff pivot point so it will stay at the mininimum. Some sort of holding jig tacked onto one leg would be a good adition.
But I quite like the ball of foil, simple and effective.

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07/03/2012 2:26 PM

I'm with Del on this. Your ball of foil is simple and repeatable.

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07/03/2012 2:49 PM

It double as a handy 'play with' too if you havn't got a string and feather
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07/03/2012 3:01 PM

This is pretty similar to your aluminum foil method. I keep a supply of Play-Doh in my desk drawer. Put Play-Doh or Silly Putty in a zip lock bag and place it in the area to be measured. It might (probably does) have some rebound after compression but so far I have been happy with the simple results.

The only bad part is when you need a big ball of it. I bought the Party Pack. It had about 2 dozen little containers of different colors. Lots of little containers to share with friends. It just seems sad to mix the red, yellow, green, blue and purple together to make a big ball of ugly color. That takes all the fun out of making a measurement.

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07/03/2012 3:22 PM

We used to use lead shot to check the parallelism of our laminating presses. One in the middle and one at each corner.

Sounds like aluminum foil is as good.

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07/04/2012 11:34 AM

The combination of Del's calipers and your crumpled aluminum might work. Sandwich the aluminum foil between the calipers, such that when the press goes down it crumples the foil. Because this is a permanent deformation, there will be minimal bounce back (coefficent of restitution) so the measurement can be accurate. Instead of relying on a tight pivot, the calipers are held apart to preserve the measurement by the crumpled aluminum foil.

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07/04/2012 12:11 PM

How about making your own "plasti-gage" like is used for sizing bearings when you rebuild an engine? Take Bruce's playdough and roll it out into sheets of different colors and known thickness, roll them one on top of the other, and then place a slice of the roll on the die before you press. After you press, the play-dough will be the same thickness you want to measure and the colors will separate into bands that can give you a quick read on the measurement. Do a few times at known thickness/squish and you can make a chart.

You can use a pasta roller machine to make your slabs of playdough and if you use artists modeling clay it will keep for a long time once you make a log or two of "plasti-gage".

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07/04/2012 1:08 PM

If you eventually wish to have live measurement of the platen position on your press, you might want to consider a magnetostrictive sensor such as those manufactured by MTS:

http://www.mtssensors.com/products/linear-position-sensors/index.html

At my former job we used a similar technology to measure the platen position on a press for compacting carbon coke into anode blocks to be used in electrolytic aluminum smelting. It was dead-reliable and quite accurate.

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