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How to Convert Floating Neutral to Grounded Neutral in Single Phase Supply

07/15/2012 2:42 PM

My UPS give single phase floating supply output. I want its output to have grounded neutral.

I have tried, single phase transformer, by connecting primary side to ups supply via a MCB and secondary side connected to load and grounded one terminal and tried to made it neutral, but when ever i am switching on UPS, MCB which is connected in primary side is tripping. How to solve this problem?

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Re: How to Convert Floating Neutral to Grounded Neutral in Single Phase Supply

07/15/2012 2:49 PM

You are trying to use an inexpensive UPS in a way it was not intended to. Purchase a UPS with the proper specification and be glad that the MCB tripped and protected you from yourself.

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Re: How to Convert Floating Neutral to Grounded Neutral in Single Phase Supply

07/15/2012 3:08 PM

Why cant you just connect your common line on the UPS to the ground line and run it that way? No transformers involved.

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Re: How to Convert Floating Neutral to Grounded Neutral in Single Phase Supply

07/16/2012 12:39 AM

Why cant you just connect your common line on the UPS to the ground line and run it that way? No transformers involved.

I have two load, one which required floating supply and other grounded neutral. Earlier i was using two separate UPS both the load, but now my UPS with grounded neutral failed, so i was thinking to use first UPS for both.

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Re: How to Convert Floating Neutral to Grounded Neutral in Single Phase Supply

07/15/2012 7:29 PM

Try this:

Disconnect EVERYTHING (UPS) from the power source.

Disconnect all wiring from the UPS to transformers, MCBs and any other interconnects.

Label each component, with schematic of connections, and place into the tote you have aquired for this purpose.

Then, later tonight, throw the tote into a garbage container.

Tomorrow, buy the proper UPS.

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Re: How to Convert Floating Neutral to Grounded Neutral in Single Phase Supply

07/16/2012 8:42 AM

I believe your second pose (#4) answered the reason your CB tripped. You are taking a single device (likely sized for its defined load) and trying to support more load than it was designed to support.

Buy another UPS sized to support THAT system's load.

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Re: How to Convert Floating Neutral to Grounded Neutral in Single Phase Supply

07/16/2012 8:55 AM

A transformer on the output is not a bad idea. A transformer is another electrical device that a UPS should be able to drive. You need to remember the energizing current for the first 1/2 cycle can be up to 15X the full load rating of the transformer depending where in the cycle it stoped and where it starts.

The first thing to do is to plug your breaker/transformer arrangement into the wall to make sure it works correctly. If it does .....what is the output rating of the UPS, what exactly is the breaker (trip curve) and what's the rating of the transformer. This breaker may not be sized properly for the transformer.

Let us know.

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Re: How to Convert Floating Neutral to Grounded Neutral in Single Phase Supply

07/16/2012 10:47 AM

This wouldn't be a line interactive modified sine wave output UPS by any chance?

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Re: How to Convert Floating Neutral to Grounded Neutral in Single Phase Supply

07/16/2012 12:28 PM

What type transformer do you have? Some have a neutral already bonded internally.If this is the case, and you ground the other phase, you will have a dead short.In this case, either do not bond the transformer or ground the opposite phase.

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Re: How to Convert Floating Neutral to Grounded Neutral in Single Phase Supply

07/16/2012 12:47 PM

Thanks everybody.

My MCB was tripping due to charging current of transformer. So I increased MCB rating and now it is working perfectly.

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07/16/2012 12:57 PM

This is not my field, but, I'll just remind you that you can continue to increase the rating of the MCB to compensate for trips, up until your house burns down.

Just a thought.

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07/16/2012 1:04 PM

I have used two MCB, one of lower original rating and other higher rating. Higher rating MCB will be in line for initial 2 sec (for transformer charging current) and then it will disconnected from line and smaller rating MCB come in line.

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07/16/2012 1:08 PM

That's a novel approach.

Is that covered somewhere in the NEC?

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Re: How to Convert Floating Neutral to Grounded Neutral in Single Phase Supply

07/16/2012 1:12 PM

What is the output rating of your UPS, what size is the transformer and what are the sizes of the 2 breakers you have. Until we have #'s it's all speculation! Your approach of timming the breakers can work but it makes it more complicated.

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