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Dead Bottoms in Crude Oil Tank

07/22/2012 2:17 PM

I have a 750,000 barell crude oil tank to decontaminate, the tank is 290' by 66' high however, we are only to clean the tank first ring, 66,000 sf ft 290' x 8'. The sludge/dead bottoms in the tank is at follows: the 'D' Doors and manways have average of 8" the centre and near centre of tank have average of 30". Extreme Northern and South and South Western walls have average of 36".

We are trying to determine just how much dead bottoms from a scientific point is actually in the tank. I am the contractor, however, the Supplier wants to insist that the volume at present is at 6,253 dead bottoms.

What is the actual method of calculation and based on information described just how much dead bottoms is in tank?

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Re: Dead Bottoms in Crude Oil Tank

07/22/2012 2:33 PM

Volume of clean tank minus volume of sediment/deposits equals dead bottom.

(I don't have a clue if this is right)

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07/22/2012 3:56 PM

That sounds like a lot of dead bottoms...How ever I don't know what a dead bottom is, so let's say 1cm of muck...

If you say the average depth is 12" then the formula would be 1' times (.785)*( 290'²= 84100)= 66019 cf

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07/22/2012 5:03 PM

Dead Bottoms is also referred to as sludge as it lacks oxygen.

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07/22/2012 8:25 PM

Something is confused. You say 'only to clean the tank first ring, ...' but then you give the bottom area. Surely you're cleaning out the bottom?

The area of a circle, the bottom, A = ∏ * D2 / 4 = 66,052 ft2

The area of a ring, the side wall, A = ∏ * D * H = 7,288 ft2 I doubt you are concerned about the volume on the side wall.

The volume of a cylinder, V = A * depth. If the average depth is 30" (2.5'), the volume of sludge would be 66,052 * 2.5 = 165,130 ft3.

Your supplier says 6,253 dead bottoms, what are the units? (I've heard of a miner's inch, but not a dead bottom. Ok, let the jokes begin.) If he is the haul-off supplier, he may be using yd3. Since there are 27 ft3 to a yd3, 6,253 yd3 would be 168,831 ft3, which would be very close to the 165,310 calculated above.

To get a more accurate estimate of the volume, you could sub-divide the floor, say into 50' x 50' squares, measure the approximate average depth of each square and calculate the volume of each square and add them all up. Are you bidding this lump sum?

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07/22/2012 9:17 PM

Bigg,

in our contract, we sign for 3000 and a fee per barrel for every barrels above 3,000. One of the things we did not do as the job was completed last week, we did not get the tank surveyed to ascertain just how much dead bottom/sludge was actually in the tank. The floating roof goes to 61 feet I divided 12" into 750,000 and came up with 12,295 barrels per ft.

The floating roof is in the maintenance position at 8' and we decontaminate the floor, walls and underside of roof which equates to approximately 140,000 sq ft.

No we are not concerned with the wall.

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07/22/2012 11:18 PM

Don't understand the contract accounting, don't really need to. Did you get the info you need? BTW, using 7.48 gal/ft3 and 42 gal/bbl, volume per ft is 11,763 bbl/ft. This is based on 290 ft, which is probably the OD. Volume based on actual ID would be a little less, depending on wall thickness.

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07/23/2012 11:51 AM

Bigg good morning,

yes, thank you very much our numbers are consistent but have more than a scientific point of discussion for My meeting of later today.

Many thanks and trust that our paths cross again, I live in the Bahamas if you are ever in the Bahamas Freeport, ask for Elvis a. Hepburn, if someone does not know me, leave....perhaps you are in a bad side of town......LOL.

Take care and again, thanks to you and CR4 Team.

Best wishes,

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07/23/2012 10:42 PM

Is that the old Hess refinery? If so, I had a friend in Houston who had worked there in the '70's. My only trips to Bahamas was the Abaco's, neat area. Good luck

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