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Battery Ruptured During Emergency Generator No Load Testing (PM)

07/23/2012 11:41 AM

I recently performed an emergency generator test run (Engine Model KTA50-G3 Cummins engine) which comes with the 4 units of "FIAMM L6-11" 813, CCA 950, 110 AH starting battery. During the process of starting up, I received an electrical starting system fail alarm and the generator was taken over by the air starting system and successfully start up.

I immediately shut down the emergency generator. Checked & found the 2 units of "FIAMM L6-11 "battery was ruptured, another 2 battery is intact. All the terminal & connection of the ruptured battery are intact and no signs of burning mark or over heat except the top portion of the battery was blown away.

The emergency generator is a standby set, only start up when power outage or test run once of month (half an hr. no load run). The battery was maintained & charged by the "DSE0907,24Vdc, 5 Amp "industrial battery charger 24/7 a year (only -OP and +OP, L, N, Earth, CF, CF was connected and the Boost charge was not connected).

After the local Cummins vendor checked the dc starting system, no fault was found. Replaced the rupture battery with the 4 units of "Yellow top" starting battery and successful start up the emergency generator.

After one day of the battery replacement and the emergency generator "DSE0907" battery charger was found damaged (control card brush), I suspect the battery charging system is connected direct to the battery terminal and in-between do not have any device to disconnect the battery charging system from the battery when the engine was successfully start up. The engine DC alternator over charging the battery charging system and caused the charger control card fail.

Can anyone advise the following:

1. Has anyone use this type of battery charger before?

2. Is "FIAMM L6-11 "battery suitable to use to start the KTA50-G3 Cummins engine?

3. What caused the battery rupture.

4. Any recommendation for battery & charger system the KTA50-G3 Cummins engine.

5. "Yellow top" battery - is it the correct type of battery to use?

*Manufacture requirement for starting up the KTA50G Cummins engine :

Battery Capacity : 1800 amp at 32 F

Battery charging Alternator is 55Amp

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Re: Battery ruptured during emergency generator no load testing (PM)

07/23/2012 12:28 PM

The batteries seem to have been damaged, or poorly maintained.....The explosion suggests the presence of hydrogen in an arcing environment, this could be due to overcharging the batteries, and low fluid condition....The arcing possibly bad or loose battery cable connection...The charger could be defective or possibly set wrong(ie: providing an excess amount of maintenance charge amps)

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07/23/2012 11:44 PM

My thought also

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07/24/2012 9:43 AM

This battery is maintenance free and no maintenance is require, No loose conection was found.

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Re: Battery ruptured during emergency generator no load testing (PM)

07/23/2012 12:39 PM

I am a little confused by the information here. At the end of your question, you indicate that the Manufacturers requirement is 1800 Amps (at 32°F). Yet at the beginning, you indicate that the generator comes with 4 of these batteries.

From the specification, it appears that the short circuit current rating is 950 Amps per battery. And since it would take at least two of these to provide 1800 Amps, I suppose each battery is 12 volts? This would then require a parallel connection of two batteries in series, yes? Because any conclusions would require knowledge of how these are connected, it would be important to know this first.

In general, however, the ruptured batteries were most likely caused by combustion of hydrogen gas inside the battery. Your lead acid type batteries are subject to this, especially during periods of extreme load.

And your connections to achieve a current of 1800 Amps would have to be perfect with a very large cable from the battery to the starter motor or VFD.

I would expect that the interruption of such a large current would also have a large emf pulse that could fry either the battery charger or ignite the hydrogen gas in the battery. From an engineering point of view, it seems that the battery start system is poorly designed and could only provide enough energy for one or two starts per day.

As for the battery charger, (really a trickle charger) it also seems to be undersized for emergency conditions. I'll be watching this one for other peoples replies. It seems to me that the Cummins vendor has some explaining to do.

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07/24/2012 10:18 AM

The battery is maintenance free and it connected in series parallel to achieve the cold cranking current of 1800Amp, and the battery has been operating for more than a year with problem.

Before we start up the emergency generator, our technician must perform the following checks:-

1. Check engine lube oil, coolant and fuel level.

2. Check battery voltage, loose connection.

3. Check Smart panel for enclose temperature, exhaust temperature, engine bearing temperature, engine lube oil, coolant and fuel temperature and alarm abnormality

4. Check the generator enclosure for any abnormality.

Ensure above item is ok before it is allowed to start the generator.

Local battery supplier tell us that it may caused by the internal component falling off during the engine cranking process which caused short circuit and ruptured the battery. Battery supplier has taken some photos of the damaged parts and sent them to the battery OEM for fault analyze. I am still waiting for the battery OEM for report.

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07/25/2012 7:26 PM

Or perhaps an internal connection failure in the battery which caused a small spark.....

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07/30/2012 1:18 PM

The thing that bothers me is that you can do some significant welding with currents that high. It is generally preferred to use a higher voltage to generate an electromagnetic field for a starter motor so that wires can be smaller. It is also pushing the limits to ask so much from a battery that small. If you must have such high currents, perhaps you should double the number of batteries in parallel.

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07/23/2012 11:23 PM

Did the Cummins dude check the charger when he replaced the batteries?

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08/12/2012 6:35 AM

We have check the engine starting circuit and also engages local Cummins dealer to help

to trouble shooting, do not found any unusually at the engine starting circuit.

After the dealer install 4 number of "Yellow top "battery, and start the engine for five

to six time and don't facing any difficulty to starting up the engine at all.

The "Yellow top "battery replacement is a temporary solution, because the production

process can not allow to have any power outage .

we are waiting for the battery OEM faille analysis report before we make any modifier to

the engine starting system.

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08/12/2012 6:39 AM

OK. That's the starting side checked.

What about the charging?

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08/13/2012 11:39 AM

The starting battery (Maintenace free battery) is charge by the "DSE0907" 24V industry 5 amp charger and continuous 24/7 non stop charging, and only the flat charge is be connected and the boot charge is disconnect from the system.

Once the engine started up and disconnect drive will disconnect (change over) the AC charging system to engine alternator charging system.

Our 1000KVA emergency Cummins generator is located at enclosure (Cantina) without any air condition system and the starting battery is right insider engine compartment , Once the engine is running the 3 number exhaust fan will automatic cut in to exhaust all the exhaust gas generate by the engine.

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