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Intelligence Positioner

09/14/2012 1:51 PM

How does an intelligence positioner work?

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Re: Intelligence Positioner

09/14/2012 1:58 PM

I think it's intelligent positioner.

Here an explaination from a manufacturer of them.

Intelligent positioner - SIEMENS Industry Sector Sensors and ...

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Re: Intelligence Positioner

09/14/2012 2:10 PM

"The intelligent positioner SRD991 is designed to operate pneumatic valve actuators and can be operated from

control systems (e.g. the Foxboro I/A Series System), controllers or PC-based configuration- and operation tools

such as the FDT/DTMs VALcare™ or Valve Monitor. The positioner is available with different communication

protocols. The multi-lingual full text graphical-LCD (optional with infrared interface), in conjunction with the 3 push

buttons, allows a comfortable and easy local configuration and operation. For installations in contact with explosive

atmospheres, certificates are available."

http://www.imaha.cz/media/files/shop/srd991.pdf

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Re: Intelligence Positioner

09/17/2012 5:09 PM

They have many more functions then a conventional positioner. They have all kinds of error reporting, auto stroke, auto tune and some other very usefull features.

You must of course be using a signal protocol that can communicate with the positioner. If you use it on a conventional 4-20 ma loop the advantages are mostly lost.

The main drawback I have seen is they are so minaturized ( an I/P the size of a box of matches ) that they are delicate and not tolerent to vibration or dirt.

On a very large air compressor ( 30,000 HP ) with guide vane actuators on the 1st and 2nd stage.

I sometimes had one or the other fail once a year or certainly a failure every two years. In other applications with much less heat and vibration I have had some units last 10 years.

If you must use one then be carefull to avoid vibration and make sure your inst. air supply is very very clean.

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Re: Intelligence Positioner

09/18/2012 9:44 PM

The temp and vibration issues can be solved with remote mount positioners. The feed back is mounted to the actuator and the positioner is mounted in a cooler place with no vibration.

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Re: Intelligence Positioner

09/17/2012 10:11 PM

>If you use it on a conventional 4-20 ma loop the advantages are mostly lost.

I disagree. A smart positioner saves, on average 1.5 hours on start-up, even with just the 4-20mA control signal.

1) What do you do if the valve needs direct action, not reverse action the dumb one came with? Take the non-smart positioner apart and flip the cam. On a smart unit, pick the action needed.

2) If a characterized cam is needed, then take the dumb one apart and install another cam. On a smart positioner, select a different response curve.

But what really saves time is the auto start-up provided most (probably all) smart positioners. I figure it elimates at least an hour's fumbling around making minor adjustments with a dumb positioner.

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Re: Intelligence Positioner

09/18/2012 2:02 PM

My point was that with a 4-20 ma loop you lose the realtime error reporting that is always used as a main selling point.

If your only concern is start-up time then the 1 to 1 1/2 hours of Inst. tech time is probably much cheaper then the added cost of the high end inteligent positioner. Also most dumb positioners should not take a competent Inst. tech. 1 to 1 1/2 hrs to set up. There are others that are a pain in the ### and can take a long time to set up.

Don't get me wrong in the right application I love how easy they are to use and modify but in my experience they are not as robust and maybe somewhat too delicate in some applications.

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