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Fundamental Questions

10/26/2012 12:20 AM

I was thinking about the drift-diffusion equation and drude theory of the electron and what his thought process was when he came up with it..

I am sure he thought about the properties of the electron and matter itself, as all of us do. It had only been three years since its discovery when he asked, what is its conductivity, i.e.. its response to an electric field..

So i started thinking about the electron's intrinsic properties, i,e. properties it is endowed with by virtue of its existence and not an action by something else, and i came up with its mass and its charge..

BUT here was the rub..

1/ What is charge? Is is something that exists in and of itself or in relation to an opposite effect, which we call a positive charge? If so, then does it really exist?

2/ What is mass? Surely, I thought, it is a property which all matter has (of course keeping in mind the relation between matter and energy, I could just was as well say that energy and mass are properties of all matter - good enough)... but this brought another question,

3/ what is matter.. is it something that is.. (meaning something that exists).. what about things like ideas, surely they exist and yet, what class do they belong to for they do not have mass/energy to qualify as matter)...

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10/26/2012 12:25 AM

Continue friend. Why stop there. We are listening....

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10/26/2012 8:53 AM

I thought the Higgs' boson ("God particle") was supposed to answer all of that...

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10/28/2012 11:12 AM

Yes there is "matter" that is not mass. Presence is the fundamental state of being you are asking about. Think of it as Meta-physical "mass".

Ideas, patterns, mathematics and numbers, are simple examples of presence. Mind, ego, soul, are more complex examples of presence.

The system of rules by which physical mass forms out of non-physical presence is called the awareness interaction. The most fundamental example of this interaction is self awareness. The most famous example is the two-slit experiment. The two-slit experiment is a complex form of the fundamental self awareness interaction. The Grand Observer is aware of self within as the Physicist, the experimental apparatus, the spacial conditions, and the wave-function conditions at that time and place. The electron(s) form from the complex confluence of the self awareness of the Grand Observer, via the complex confluence of self awareness of the physicist, apparatus, and then finally the fundamental particle.

The whole event is metaphysical. Some of the event is physical as well. The electron or photon produced is present, and is the fundamental proof of the existence of the Grand Observer, the physicist, the apparatus, and the electron itself.

In metaphysics, space is possibility, presence is high probability in that space, and time is change in either presence, place or possibility, or all three. That change launches a new wave function....a new awareness.

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10/28/2012 1:25 PM

Thank you for your reply. I understand what you mean by the existence of non-physical forms such as ideas and patterns. The physical world being as it is, does the existence of these forms (metaphysical mass, as you call them) require an observer? What I mean, do these things exist only when they are observed and recognized or are existing even when there is no one around the observe them. This may seem like a simple question but it has great implications for design and creativity.

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10/29/2012 9:23 AM

Yes. The Presence IS the observer.

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10/30/2012 7:46 AM

This leads me back to the age old question "if a tree falls in the forest with no one around, does it make a sound" with out your Observer there to view the presence of the tree how do we know, we use logic to assume the tree makes a sound, we are sure it makes a sound due to our past presence, but does it. The math will prove that friction, force, and a movement of mass is present when the tree falls but it can not logically prove sound, it can only prove sound from assumption of the equations. With out presance.....well who really knows?

I think this is a fascinating topic.....thanks you for posting your original question.

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10/29/2012 2:20 AM

I think this is a very interesting thread, thank you.

Sorry I cannot add much though, only: "I am."

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10/29/2012 12:37 PM

Interesting questions although having a metaphysical meaning. It's true that we cannot tell if a particle has an electric charge till it interacts with an external electric field. Someone could claim that there is no actual charge inside an electron till such an interaction will take place. However, it's convenient to think of that as an internal, pre-existing, fundamental property of the electron.

Concerning the world of ideas: this concept was presented by the Greek philosopher Plato (the platonic world of ideas). However, we should probably discriminate some fundamental "ideas" like maths and physical rules -which governs the physical world and all natural phenomena- from other "ideas" which are produced by the human intelligence. The first are self-existing, no matter if any human being is present to observe their results. The latter are just the products of our brains' activity. (Of course, our "brains' activity" is governed, also, by the forementioned, fundamental "ideas" -i.e. the physical rules- so the ideas coming from our "brain's activity" are a kind of "by-products".)

The Great Observer (mentioned by Deefburger) is used by some people in order to "explain" the quantic phenomena (like -e.g.- the two slits experiment). (By that they imply the existence of God.) However, this concept is entirely metaphysical and doesn't really solve the problem.

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10/29/2012 1:05 PM

GK you are correct. The laws of physics, as we observe them, are complex in nature and it is only when we try to observe them one or two fundamental particles at a time that we come up against the real "rules" of the physical universe. Quantum "Anomallies" are not anomallies in the true sense, but are instead the extreme conditions under which the constant rules are viewed.

It's an issue of scale. But if we assume the quantum anomalies are a direct illustration or manifestation of universal law, rather than anomalous conundrums, then Physics begins to look different.

The basic assumption of the Grand Observer is that all things, space, time, and experience are within the Grand observer, otherwise any rules applied by the GO in an awareness are outside of the GO's direct experience.

With this in mind, we then must be that experience of self within the GO. All of the quantum anomalies are directly related to this relationship. The two most illustrative of the concept are the two-slit experiment and the "same particle in two places at the same time" demonstration. Study these two "anomalies" but keep in mind the assumption that all that is observed is within the GO and you will realize that the anomalies are in fact rules.

Then take this and apply it to your self, you experience of your own Presence, and the meaning and nature of you're being and being alive. It's a very uplifting and powerful realization! It is also what has been taught by prophets and shamans for millenia all over the world.

Our spiritual natures and our physical natures are not as separate as we have thought in our study of physics generally. It is the complex form of matter that seems to persist and the appearant vastness of space and the equally apparent vastness of time that overwhelm our view of reality. But every inch of space is an assuption of distance within the GO, and every microsecond an experience of self within the GO. Every millenia a moment of creation within the GO, and every galaxy a spark of awareness and substance within the GO. One blink of Vishnu's eye if you will....

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