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Operational Amplifier

11/28/2012 1:22 PM

What should be the DC output of Op-Amp When there is no input ac Supply at inverting or non inverting Terminal and when the Op-amp is Biased? I am getting Biasing DCVoltage at the o/p in above condition.Is that Correct?

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11/28/2012 3:05 PM

It works exactly the same way for DC as it does for AC.

Can you show us a circuit diagram, so that we can figure out what you mean.

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11/28/2012 4:20 PM

An operational amplifier without negative feedback is a comparator.

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11/28/2012 4:38 PM

Please explain more clearly. It could read that you have an op-amp with an ac supply. That'll be a dead'un.

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11/28/2012 7:54 PM

It might be nice to know a little more detail. Here is a list of questions you could answer that will help:

  • What Op-Amp part number? LM-741, OP-07, etc.
  • What supply voltages are you using
  • What DC output are you getting
  • What DC gain do you expect? Why?
  • What value and type of capacitors are you using?
  • What value resistors are you using?
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11/28/2012 10:30 PM

I gather this is still the Op-Amp as half wave rectifier project?

Need a LOT more information.

Circuit and component values would be a good start.

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11/29/2012 12:07 AM

The open loop gain of an OP AMP is very large, which means that without feedback to reduce the gain to a useable level, the output is very unstable.

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11/29/2012 11:32 PM

Adding to #6, that slight bias can drive the output to either extreme, when precise negative feedback is missing, as the native gain can be 1 million.

The question still smells like homework.

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11/30/2012 7:48 AM

One last comment until a response from the OP provides us some feedback. There is always the possibility that what you have actually built is not what your schematic or working theory intended. A vast number of possible slips fit this category. A poor solder connection, solder bridge, defective part, wrong part are just a few of the common mistakes we've all made in this category.

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11/30/2012 11:51 AM

ohk let me be more specific I am using opamp ic opa 4277 with 14 pin DIP.......I hv Connected +15VDC to pin 4 and -15VDC to pin 11.I hv not connected any ac input at any of the inverting or non inverting pin........now when i check the voltage at pin 1/7/8/14 which are output pins for each Op-amp I get +15VDC...i hv checked this with 2-3 ICs bt its the same..SO my question is whether the o/p am getting without AC input is correct or Theres some Problem? Sry for Brief question before.

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11/30/2012 12:22 PM

Ok now we are getting somewhere.

The nominal open loop gain for an OPA4277 is 134db. This is an open loop voltage gain of about 5*10^6. Without providing any negative feedback (you imply this "I hv not connected any ac input at any of the inverting or non inverting pin") you have an open loop condition. The nominal offset voltage for this amplifier is ±20*10^-6 volts. So without feedback it is normal for the outputs to be on one supply rail or the other.

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12/02/2012 4:57 PM

Agreed, this is the normal expected behaviour

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12/01/2012 3:32 AM

See the of an O.P amplifier,s carve (or the principle of an O.P AMP.) and study it carefully you will know why you got in the output the positive potential .

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