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mmBtu-->Nm3

02/13/2013 4:27 AM

How can i convert mmBtu to Nm3?

for example i got this information from gas company;

THB 325/ mmBTU

let say calorific value of natural gas is 42MJ/Nm3.

THB:Thailand baht.

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02/13/2013 6:57 AM
  1. MMBTU to BTU: multiply by 1,000,000
  2. BTU to MJ: multiply by 0.00105587
  3. MJ to Nm3: divide by 42 (your figure).
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02/13/2013 7:26 AM

I believe there are a few errors in what you wrote.

2. BTU to MJ: divided by 0.001055, not multiply. 1 BTU = 1,055.055 J = 0.001055055 MJ.

3. How is this possible? (1 J = 1 Nm so 1 MJ = 1,000,000 Nm) You would need to multiply by m2 to get Nm3.

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02/13/2013 7:49 AM

1 BTU ≈ 0.001055 MJ, so 2 BTU ≈ 2 x 0.001055 MJ = 0.00211 MJ, yes? That looks like multiplication to me .

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02/13/2013 7:53 AM

Yes, i agree. Too early here.

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02/13/2013 7:57 AM

.

Know the feeling - I originally wrote "multiply" in step 3 instead of "divide".

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02/13/2013 7:02 AM

I don't think it's valid to convert to Nm3 (assuming you mean cubic meter).

THB 325/mmBTU is the price per energy of natural gas.

  • mmbtu = 1 million BTU = 10 therms
  • Therm = 100,000 BTU
  • 1 BTU = 1,055.06 J = 1,055.06 Nm
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02/13/2013 7:37 AM

Nm3 is a commonly-used measure of volume1 (= 1 cubic meter at NTP), and has nothing to do with Newton-meters.

Edit: [1] - or rather the quantity of a gas.

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02/13/2013 8:20 AM

So Nm3 is only a measure of volume at NTP? Am I correct that NTP is normal temperature and pressure? If so....then that's confusing (at least to an engineer not in that field).

Personally, I dislike the use of unit which are industry unique...even mmBTU threw me off until I looked it up and I still haven't come across Nm3 as cubic meters at NTP. It may make sense to those in the industry...but why couldn't they have used MBTU and m3 (NTP) or m3 @ NTP ... something less likely to get misinterpreted?

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02/13/2013 8:46 AM

Good questions, all.

Nm3 also crops up sometimes when talking about compressors & pneumatics etc. I don't like it either. Just to make things worse, there's also a Sm3 (standard cubic meter).

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02/13/2013 9:37 AM

I am quite comfortable with both SI and MKS and understand why some industries still use MKS, although, I am much more at home with MKS having been raised in the US.

One of the most confusing things for most people (including engineers) to get their mind wrapped around is the conversion factor gc (32.174 lbm-ft / lbf-sec2). As a result, we have to distinguish between pounds force (lbf) and pounds mass (lbm). The SI system of units nicely avoids this confusion.

About 15 years ago, I was working with a Japanese company on a servo actuator design. They presented me with data and information using kgf as one of the units. I asked them what that was...it was kilogram force. AARRRRRGHHHHH I just about had an aneurysm!!!!! Why introduce that level of confusion again? Call it Newtons or dynes....even pounds force....but don't create a new unit!!!!

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02/13/2013 10:08 AM

Yes - unfortunately kgf does crop up quite often. I think people sometimes have difficulty getting a "feel" for Newtons. If I hear that, I remind them that it's about what the weight of a small apple feels like. (A 57mm diameter sphere of water would exert 1N under Earth's gravity).

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02/13/2013 11:02 AM

A Newton can also be described as approx 1/4 a pound (force of course) or 1/10 a kg. I'm not sure that would help those who are not Newton savvy.

Do people have any better a feel for what a kg weighs? Possibly, since that's the unit people generally see when they step on a scale. The fact that most of the metric weight scales (for body weight) that I've seen give weight in kg instead of Newtons may contribute to this lack of "feel". If people grew up weighing themselves and seeing Newtons on the scale, they might develop a feel for it.

So our society (worldwide it seems) has gotten lazy with units. I work with hydraulics a fair amount of the time. I'm constantly amazed at how many technical people refer to pump output of 3000 psi as "3000 pounds of pressure".

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