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Race Against the Machine

07/31/2013 3:35 PM

Good read! Opinions?

As my job is primary to replace workers with machines i do feel a bit sorry, but it is inevitable.

I would rather be on the side that wins.

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07/31/2013 4:49 PM

We are the mothers and fathers of a new era of workers.....workers that will farm our crops, drive our cars, mow our lawns, they are of a mechanical nature...but may some day possess biological components as well.....No one can say for sure what the outcome will be, or what society will look like in a 100 years....Perhaps all that will be left will be scientists and artists, doctors and engineers....

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07/31/2013 6:02 PM

You are already on the losing side. "my job" marks you as a loser.

Winners don't have "jobs", they have companies. I'm a loser, too.

I see no way to mitigate the damage that exponential strides in technology will cause.

Soon a factory will build itself, then build out the interior, and then build the widgets that are the end product.

Times They are a-Changin -

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08/01/2013 10:11 AM

Actually i have a 2 man company outside of my job. Its a bootstrap type.

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07/31/2013 6:52 PM

Here is the other side of that coin. Both recent breakthroughs in batteries and robotics have begun to reshape geopolitics.

A good example would be Japan, a leader in robotic technology, where recent standardizations for safety have opened the door for these tools to help humans. Battery powered limbs and assisted exoskeletons are changing the lives of those that are immobile or incapacitated.

Japan has a particularly large stake in this technology. As the population segment ages with fewer young adults in the workforce to support them, robotics may be their best alternative.

Japan has the most robotic industrial base in the world and advancement in that technology will fill jobs that would normally be vacant for Japan as the population shifts to more older people. Japan's vision is to use robots not only in industry, but childcare, nursing, and service for those that are physically challenged.

Much of this vision depends on the advancement of battery power density. Renewable power and the ability to store large capacities of that power will reshape political lines and create and shift new centers of geopolitical power around the globe.

Japan is not the only geopolitical segment facing a population crises. Russia and Europe have the same population imbalance where there are simply not enough youth to support the larger aging population (I have written about this before on CR4). Robotics and advancing battery systems could mitigate a pending economic collapse of these regions.

For the rest of us where the population segments are more linear, the prospect for new jobs may exist in the field of robotics. Strangely, when the world first saw the automation revolution begin it was believed that there would be mass layoffs as the workforce was displaced with automation. What actually happened was a displacement of skills, not labor. Many manual labor skills shrank, but a new frontier of skill sets was created (designing, programming, and maintenance) that more than offset the losses.

We will see if history repeats itself with the second automation revolution as robotics comes of age.

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07/31/2013 10:25 PM

I am not following the battery density limitation issue to the least bit.

Given I am 6'3" 250 #'s and have a 4000+ calorie a day diet the numbers work out to being around 4.6 KWH of energy expended every 24 hours.

Now going by common battery energy density of 200 Wh/Kg for typical LiPo type batteries and a generous 18 hour run time between charging it would take one battery set weighing roughly some 15 Kg or 33 pounds.

Physical size wize using a fairly robust build of .5 Wh/CC that would make such a battery about the size of a common two slice toaster.

Also going by fair market value of larger Lithium type batteries that could carry that sort of charge I see the average price would fall someplace around $2500 - $3500 at the most which to be honest any robot that could come anywhere physically close to being to do similar autonomous work equal to that of a moderately handicapped but still fully mobile human is going to have a price tag some 100+ times the cost of the battery.

Now even with dismal efficiency ratings even then that battery should still be able to give it a reasonable run time in excess of 8 hours.

As I said. Given a robot capable of doing any form of work somewhat similar to a human the battery capacity limitation issue seems like a very weak argument against it's implementation.

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08/01/2013 6:32 AM

What we see today in robots still requires an umbilical cord to a socket. Breaking that link is going to require more advancement in technology. We are moving in that direction and that is why I stated that batteries and robotic hardware (and software) have been the cause for the advances in the field we are seeing today.

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08/01/2013 8:44 AM

Maybe fuel cells...robots of the future may have to eat like the rest of us.

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08/01/2013 12:21 AM

Great view Hero. Man's evolution has always been smaller and faster. It is the natural order of things. Those who are capable of looking at the whole (big) picture, see that. Japan had that foresight when they mastered LSS, and have it now in their robotics approach. Those who only see the engineering math, or only the physical science, or only sociology, may not be capable of seeing the big picture.

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08/06/2013 5:02 PM

Please define LSS.

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LSS = Lean Six Sigma

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07/31/2013 9:57 PM

Oh, I don't know... humans may still have the upper hand for a while.

It's sort of shaping up that an autonomous machine (nearly so, anyway) recently took Asiana flight 214 into a controlled flight into terrain, impacting the seawall at San Francisco International Airport.

Another discussion about this here.

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08/01/2013 9:04 AM

In most cases, I see the machines replacing tasks, not jobs. These tasks are typically unskilled, repetitive, dangerous or not humanly possible. The workforce transitions to something requiring the 'human element' of judgment, dexterity and intelligence.

I have been in manufacturing for over 30 years and have seen this paranoia countless times - "damn machines replacing jobs." The companies that have invested in high tech machines have almost always become larger, stronger and have grown their workforce.

I would have to say that machines compliment workers.

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08/01/2013 1:24 PM

from the video... "Corporate profits are quite high... in fact, if you included banks they are higher than they have ever been." I think that comes under the umbrella of "financial markets." (Interesting and ironic that the video is, at least, in part, sponsored by Fidelity Investments.)

Given "high frequency trading," (to see the spin of those who benefit most, a slide presentation is here) there is no need to wait for the androids we dream of in movies like "The Terminator," to strike fear in us (if we're paying attention). Computers, without the need to wait for a human-like "form" to inhabit, have influenced financial markets significantly. No need for robotic advances. The fact that big money, (aside from whether or not it is in the form of the "personhood" corporation, ordained by the priests of the high court) essentially, controls the structure of the economy -- in spite of McAfee's assertion that ideas are what drive economies -- is where change and innovation should be analyzed and modified. That is a political and social change, not technological. We have been subservient to concentrated wealth for a long, long time, without the "take-over" scenarios of androids vs. humans.

(As far as the reference to language translation improvements in the video, recent product manuals I've gotten with computer and video hardware, still leave much to be desired. Machine translation may be much better than it was 20 years ago, but any human can note where it fails and laugh. Obviously, there is no proofing by English consumers to correct them. Is that because manuals aren't taken seriously by anyone anymore? Likely. Or just plain apathy. Equally likely.)

I note population is a key factor in McAfee's analysis. I would suggest it is not just employment, but all resource planning should include population planning. Japan is indeed on a negative employee replacement slope. Unfortunately, humans have let the idea of markets and GDP govern how we judge our success for any one society. Aren't we more than little productivity "engines?" And this leads to the misapplication of the promise of robotics. Can we all become philosophers and artists (generically) while machines do all our labor? (Come to think of it, becoming philosophers might be just what we need to effect a needed change.) Will we do our best to eliminate all human manual labor? Will wages disappear? A cynical perspective would say, "No. Replacing the low-wage labor tasks will not be high on the agenda of robotic engineers." What is the most common application of robotics? Mass production. And who does that really serve, financially? Referring back to HFT (and Day Trading, it's predecessor) what benefit to society do these things offer?

The projected tasks for robotics are skewed by those designers, whose status in life, is quite beyond those trying to survive. Do the poor really need a "house" servant? An automated lawn mower? A car so advanced it will apply the brakes before the human occupant even realizes the need? Too many of us live in a technological bubble. We become consumed with technology at a level that really serves the few. Give the poor in Africa an iPhone and see how much it serves their basic needs.

The fact that the largest segment of society will almost always not be the elite (by education and wealth criteria) would, I hope, guarantee the nightmare scenarios of Robots vs. Humans, in an overt combative fashion, will never come to pass. But then, that segment of society (of which most of us reside in) has given up much control of their lives already. I have to agree with the line from Plato's, "The Trial and Death of Socrates," about the masses -- they can do neither evil nor good. (Referenced from here.) The revolution in thinking of how to structure the best, most sustainable society is yet to come. For instance, how do the poor figure into the planning of robotics? Any number of "experts" say we could feed the world already, without further improvement in farming practices. Yet, people are still starving to death every day. We shouldn't need robotics to address that. That is low-tech, human relations.

Sorry. The topic touched a nerve.

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08/08/2013 9:00 AM

You may also find this interactive world robot usage google map tool interesting. Shows the spread of robot automation. See https://plus.google.com/u/0/communities/105018508881428751734

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