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GPS Synchronization

05/15/2014 6:53 AM

Dear All,

may i know what will be the purpose of this in DCS system

"The DCS(s) shall be provided with a Global Positioning System (GPS) time synchronization capability. All ICSS components shall be capable of receiving a master time signal from the master clock."

DCS Distrubuted Control system , ICSS integerated control and safety system

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Re: GPS synchronization

05/15/2014 9:02 AM

I think DCS is actually: Distributed Asynchronous Clock Synchronization

GPS is used as a master clocking source. In order for data systems to communicate efficiently, clock synchronization provides a mechanism for networks to pass information reliably. Particularly with networks using DTN (Delay Tolerant Networks) where propagation or data traffic can cause delays in data packets.

Another way to look at it is if someone handed you a post card with a time and data stamped on it you would know if it is a new post card or an old post card only if you knew the current time and date.

If you had no idea of what year, month, day, and hour it was right now you would not have any reference point to tell when the message was actually sent nor its relevance.

If the sender and you were on two completely different time standards you have no way of knowing when the message was actually sent. For instance, if you receive a message at 3PM, but the message was stamped 12PM you might assume it was 3 hours old. However, that message might have simply been sent from a different time zone that was 2 hours behind you. That means the message is really 1 hour old.

I hope that helps. You specific question is not very clear to me.

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05/15/2014 1:40 PM

I learned something new here, again.

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05/17/2014 11:22 AM

Although the use of DCS to describe Distributed Asynchronous Clock Synchronization has been made the earlier and more traditional use of DCS is to describe a Ditributed Control System, and the OP used that term. I believe he has looked at the documents to make that definition. Rather than jump into a different use of the term DCS we should probably make use of the need for the time accuracy on the particular DCS application. I have seen many DCS (distributed control systems) that had need for high accuracy time and location. This may very well be the need. Other later comments talked about the use of beacons that might need to be sychronized but that pales in comparison to factory application where large multi-ton pieces move at several hundred miles an hour and must be precisely synchronized to avoid problems. I inspected a site that a huge piece of pipe (8 inches diameter by40ft) was ejected through the roof of a factory into a parking lot because a manager insisted a sensor be defeated in programing rather than replaced. The manager was replaced. The receiving machinery was not positioned properly by the DCS without the sensor input. DCS (distributed control systems) need precise time stamps and positions also.

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Re: GPS synchronization

05/19/2014 6:00 AM

DCS = Distributed Control System

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Re: GPS Synchronization

05/15/2014 6:44 PM

An even more important use, especially if the data sources are physically remote from each other, is to provide a real-time time-base for comparing variables.

For example, a utility uses it to establish the zero crossing of a phasor at a particular point in the grid at a particular instant in time. With that info the other phasors in the system can be determined to be leading or lagging the reference phasor because all their angles are measured at the same instant.

If the data had to travel over fibre or wire the calculations would have to account for the delays in each segment of the network, a nearly impossible task to do in real time without the consistent time stamp.

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Re: GPS Synchronization

05/16/2014 3:30 AM

The DCS may comprise more than one controller/PLC, or the controllers/ plcs may be configured to be redundant, or in a master/slave configuration. ie if controller A becomes unreliable for any reason, redundant controller B may be required to assume control of the process, in a 'bumpless' fashion. Therefore, both clocks must be synchronised exactly, and the best way to do this, is if they share a common clock (in your case, master clock).

The ICSS components are expected to react within a given time, in a given sequence, in the event of a process upset. In order to achieve this in real time, they must also be subject to the same clock as the DCS-controlled process, in order to protect that same process.

Bear in mind throughout, that we may be discussing fractions of a second in reaction time, which must be synchronised.

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05/16/2014 9:00 AM

A good example of the use of DCS is in the windmill industry. All the windmill structures on a "farm" must have red flashing beacons for pilot identification per the FAA. To distinguish from other types of structures (towers, smokestacks, etc.), the beacons on all the windmills are to cycle on and off at the same time. Because the windmills are quite far apart, the easiest and cheapest way to do that is with the GPS time signal.

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05/16/2014 10:26 AM

Does each tower have its own GPS (not too expensive anymore), or are they all networked? Thinking about it, my guess is the latter since they have to be, or should be, controllable from a central point. Otherwise someone would have to go to each tower to feather the blades or change some other parameter.

In computer networks, time syncing is used to age authentication certificates, file modification times, all kinds of communication interfaces.

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05/16/2014 12:48 PM

It's been a while since I was in that industry, but at that time both were employed. I think the time stamp was GPS controlled at each site, but they were also networked for fault reporting.

The obstruction lighting system was independent of any other control system of the tower.

Not only was GPS timing used for synchronization, but the flash rate, duration, and intensity was modified based on time of day/night.

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05/22/2014 10:10 AM

This is still in effect.

All networked power distribution communications and process controls use this type of time synchronization.

It is critical for identifying the "first out" point of origin when a power distribution system fault occurs in any networked control system especially if the system is part of the nationwide power grid.

The same is true for all military operations.

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