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Civil Loading Data from Piping to Civil

10/27/2014 9:31 PM

Dear All,

Regarding civil loading data from Piping to civil, should loading at the lateral supports including wind effect shall be given for rack or any other design?

What could be the best practice?

Our Civil department claims that they have considered wind effect. In my opinion, push after thermal growth will make loading severe than the wind just applied at cold case (by civil). Agsin, if dealing with structure at considerable height (15 to 20m high), it will surely produce high bending moment on structure .

Moreover the size is big (84") in Hurricane area.

Kindly suggest.

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Re: Civil Loading Data from Piping to Civil

10/27/2014 10:31 PM

I'm not sure if civil or somebody else is the designer of the piping so I'll consider piping design and civil as separate.

The piping designer should provide to the civil designer, a weight per unit of length for the vertical supports, and thermal and wind forces for all anchors and guides.

What does their contract call for? To whom are they contracted?

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Re: Civil Loading Data from Piping to Civil

10/27/2014 11:09 PM

Are you Civil or Piping?

The best practice would be for Piping to supply Civil with a complete report of all the required data to complete the analysis.

It sounds like you are Piping and don't trust Civil.

If you have confidence in your analysis, leave it to Civil to do their job.

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Re: Civil Loading Data from Piping to Civil

10/28/2014 12:13 AM

Thank you passingtongreen & Iyn.

I am from Piping . I had already submitted complete report to civil. But Civil guys are reluctant to follow Piping loads calculated.

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Re: Civil Loading Data from Piping to Civil

10/29/2014 12:00 AM

That is up to them, but they take on the responsibility when they substitute their own version of the loads.

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Re: Civil Loading Data from Piping to Civil

10/29/2014 4:54 AM

The normal practice is to give the following loads for Civil design of structures:

1. Pipe wt per meter

2. Wt. of Water filled in pipe per meter (to be considered due to hydrotest of piping). If the pipe is being tested pneumatically to avoid hydrotest, then only pipe wt. is considered. This is required for all pipes on the rack if this is a pipe rack.

3. If there are Electrical and Inst. cable trays above piping at higher levels as is usually the case, these are given by the respective depts.

4. If there are walkways on rack the live loads due to operating personnel is considered per standard engg. practices.

Wind loads and Earth quake loads and all other loads are calculated by Civil dept from meteorological data and standard practices from various codes. Self load of structures is also considered while designing the structures.

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Re: Civil Loading Data from Piping to Civil

12/22/2014 7:12 AM

Dear All engineers,
BY setting Friction multiplier to ZERO in Static Analysis Load case option, this mean frictions are not consider.Does anyone in this forum who can give me idea what are the steps to be consider in calculating loading data to civil?

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Re: Civil Loading Data from Piping to Civil

12/29/2014 2:39 AM

Due to the "fast track" nature associated with most of the projects, often the final piping, raceway, and equipment information is available at initiation of the pipe rack design. Therefore, as a Civil/Structural Engineer, you should coordinate with the Piping group, Electrical, Control Systems, and Mechanical groups to obtain as much preliminary information as possible.

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