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Min Clearance From Transformer To Building

10/29/2014 11:20 PM

Whats the minimum clearance required from transformer oil containment to building window or door without fire wall. Its 240 kv 400 MVA transformer with more than 5000 gallon oil. I checked IEEE 979 and found it should be 15.2m. But if I have oil containment still I have maintain this distance or i could keep 10.7m as per section 7.2.6. I checked NEC and its says same thing. FOR CEC which standard I could follow. How this distance shall be meausured- from edge of oil containment to edge of building wall or from edge of transformer. I would appreciate if anyone give me idea.

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Re: Min clearance from transformer to building

10/29/2014 11:45 PM

Consult IS 2026 and the local building codes which may be more stringent than the IS.

Are you sure you only want 10.7m between your building and this:

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10/29/2014 11:54 PM

Thanks for your reply. I found this in IEEE 979 where mentioned "where containment is provided in accordence with 8.1, other types of sub equipment should be no closer than 10.7m to n adjacent piece of mineral oil insulated equipments anticipated flame front or containment boundary"

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10/31/2014 10:32 AM

Only 10.7m between his building and a busted jpeg? The horror!
Please re-post, or put up a link. I would really like to see what this was.

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11/17/2014 11:08 AM

And there it is. Yikes.

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10/30/2014 9:45 AM

What do you mean by the term "containment"? Catching the oil if there is a leak or preventing the oil from hitting a structure should the transformer go boom?

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10/31/2014 12:03 AM

Having looked at the OP's previous posts I think he would be better employed well away from anything involving power.

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10/31/2014 9:32 AM

I suspected that such was the case from the wording of the OP's post.

I would have checked other threads he started to confirm, but it sounds like you did the legwork for me.

Often times when I see a post like this, the poster is from/working in a region that has NO electrical or fire codes whatsoever. (A place that could be said is trying to develop itself into a Developing Nation.) Other times it's people who say 'The rules say I need a 6" reinforced concrete slap to support this, can I use scrap pieces of 1/4 inch chipboard?" In the first case, it's understandable: They have no clue and come to us for advice. Their problem is that they expect us to give Professional Opinions on how do to it, and nobody wants to deal with the liabilities of 'over-the-phone, no-eyes-on-project' engineering.

The second group concerns me, how did they so long with the part of their brain that tells them when something is a bad idea is turned off? Shouldn't they have earned themselves a Darwin Award BEFORE they ended up in a position where they could potentially cause so much death and destruction?

(self-marking as OT due to the rant-like nature of the post.)

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10/31/2014 3:35 AM

From the evidence I saw the ensuing oil fire was so great light fittings on the exterior of a building were melted at over 20m away and the surrounding concrete apron was pockmarked where the burning boiling oil had landed.

This transformer was smaller than the one you are proposing but was at the end of a similar fault level.

Your building wants to be nowhere near a transformer like this. I assume we are talking blast protected building and not a portacabin ........

Also to consider is the EMF generated by the transformer which we are all told is safe.

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10/31/2014 7:12 AM

It is measured from the oil containment pit. and I think you will still require a fire wall. It depends where you are and what your client requires for the site and also the fire regulations if you are in the USA. Check with your local fire dept as well as they will be involved somewhere along the line.. The space required is for fire fighting as well as preventing the spread of the fire to adjacent areas and buildings.

The standards are only guidelines of minimum requirements, not set distances and dependent on the area and catchment systems being used. Bunded to the Tfx only or drained to a catchment tank vie pipe works.

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10/31/2014 7:40 AM

Correct IQ! However, sahababu71, see also NFPA 850 Recommended Practice for

Fire Protection for Electric Generating Plants and High Voltage Direct Current Converter Stations

ch.5.2.4 Outdoor Oil-Insulated Transformers.

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11/08/2014 3:08 AM

I have not the last edition of IEEE 979.However in IEEE 979-2004 ch. 4.4 Transformer outdoor installations NFPA 850 is recommended.

NFPA 850 -2005 requires 50 ft Minimum (Line-of-Sight) Separation Without Firewall.

With a firewall you may reduce the distance.

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