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100kW Heater With Thyristor Controller

11/02/2014 5:58 AM

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In our petrochemical plant we have start up heater 200 kW 690V with thyristor controller for HTF (heat transfer fluid) up to 250C and another heater use to AIR up to 350Cfor CATALYST. We have doubt if we start heater with 100 percent set point directly 250C/350 C or we have to start gradually /slowly (while apply set point from DCS).Because if we start gradually it can delay plant start up for more than 3 hours step by step with range 10C from room temperature 30C up to 350C. and if we start with direct apply set point 350C we worry the heater life time will be decreased.

Please help us to decide the best way to operate the heater.

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Re: 100kw heater with thyristor controller

11/02/2014 6:10 AM

So why don't you just order a strategic spare in time for the next campaign start-up date?

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Re: 100kw heater with thyristor controller

11/02/2014 6:27 AM

Element life is significantly decreased by by the thermal shock (dtemp/dt) caused by the initial high current due to low cold resistance and this obviously applies only at the first seconds after energising, and from a more predictable life decrease by prolonged final high element temperature. For the second factor gradual HTF temp rise is irrelevant, but initial current IS very important for element life. Now the time constant we are talking about on applying "soft-start" must be seconds to minutes, not hours, so a solution resembling constant RMS current (using variable duty cycle on your SCR) is universally best. S.M.

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Re: 100kw heater with thyristor controller

11/02/2014 9:18 AM

You have bigger worries, like understanding the consequences of operating a petrochemical plant in "clueless" mode. You cannot simply change the startup/operating sequence of a process plant without considering its effects on the rest of the process; there's a lot more to it than just the "life" of a single component versus shortening the startup time. Remove yourself from the control room and let competent engineers make those decisions.

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Re: 100kw heater with thyristor controller

11/02/2014 1:44 PM

I agree completely with RAMConsult.

If the collective "we" of whom you speak is devoid of any petrochemical plant knowledge or experience that would enable the collective "we" to arrive at an informed decision, remove the collective "we" from the plant and let the experts run it.

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Re: 100kw heater with thyristor controller

11/02/2014 3:22 PM

Maybe the knowledgeable staff who used to run the plant left the country for some good reasons...

Seriously, with a multi-billion USD plant how much does each lost hour cost?

Also there are typically extremely strict and detailed start and shutdown procedures to follow as especially during thoses phases there is an increased risk of incident.

Soon someone will ask how to operate a NPP.

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Re: 100kw Heater With Thyristor Controller

11/02/2014 6:26 PM

"Please help us to decide the best way to operate the heater."

Employ a consultant that knows the process.

Where are you based? I'm not offering to help, I want to be sure I'm at a safe distance!

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Re: 100kW Heater With Thyristor Controller

11/03/2014 12:13 AM

you can bring the heaters to the 20% of temp as recommended procedure which will prevent the thermal shock and after that you can decrease the temperature rising curve,s time .i don't think there will be any risk of life span decrease because every manufacturer keep the minimum 10% tolerance in heating products .

secondly the fluid in your system is heat exchanger which will never let the heater body to reach on highest temperature in short time .

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Re: 100kW Heater With Thyristor Controller

11/03/2014 12:52 AM

I would be concerned about thermal shock not only to the heaters, but the rest of the process. Perhaps the slow warm up is limited by the thermal constraints of other machinery parts and the process itself.

I know in the paper industry the dryer cans are warmed up slowly to minimize thermal stress, and allow condensate in the system to be discharged and dried out. You just cannot apply full steam to a cold cast iron drum without many undesirable consequences.

Perhaps there are other mitigating factors in your process.

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11/03/2014 1:07 AM

There's reasons why this guy posted as an AP. The lack of knowledge and the resulting catastrophic disaster because of the lack of knowledge, lessens the chance of his identity being found out

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11/03/2014 11:34 PM

And, your reasons?

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