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Measuring of generator winding resistance

07/07/2007 11:15 AM

Measuring of generator winding resistance
Recently I participated in a generator electrical test program. Measuring of Stator winding resistane is also of the mentioned tests.
The recommended test procedure by manufacturer to calculate winding resistance is wattmeter method. In this method, one 50HZ power supply is applied to the three phases of stator winding which is separated from other sections. In this condition electrical current of each phase ( I ) and active power consumption of three phases ( W ) are measured by suitable measuring instruments. Then resistance of each phase ( R ) is calculated as following relation:

W = RI2

As you know, there are many ways to measure active power in three phase symmetrical circuits.One, two and three-wattmeter methods may be used but in this case, generator manufacturer only recommended "two-wattmeter method" and high accuracy wattmeter for this measurement.

How can you explain the reasons of manufacturer choice? Why the two-wattmeter method is the best choice to reduce measurement errors in this case?

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Re: Measuring of generator winding resistance

07/08/2007 7:49 AM

There is some confusion in my mind as to the terms you have used in your question.

Resistance (US engineering) generally refers to DC ohmic values, and when I measured a generator winding resistance, I used a 4 terminal kelvin bridge. This measured the DC resistance of the copper only.

The test procedure's that you describe would be the proper procedures for measuring the combined I2 R winding and core losses which is a means of providing a value of merit of the machine.

This is not resistance alone. It includes the complex power loss of all the 3 phase windings plus the core losses. (hysteresis)

ALSO Note, this measurement does not include any friction or wind-age losses.

Does this help you any?

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Re: Measuring of generator winding resistance

07/19/2007 5:10 AM

Yes, you are right.But please note that mentioned test didn't do in winding rated voltage,therefore the core loss can be neglect.Also this test is done on generator without rotor system and in DC test skeen effects were not considered.

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M.S.J

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Re: Measuring of generator winding resistance

07/20/2007 8:40 AM

Your comment is noted and taken into consideration, perhaps they want to measure the positive sequence component of resistance.

Are you familiar with symmetrical component vector notation mathematics. The system is a method of describing any complex three phase circuit by 3 complex component vector values. i.e. a positive, and negative and a zero sequence component. It is similar to expressing a vector quantity like (R + Jx) except that where Jx is used, it is replaced with A0, A1 and A2 and A is 0. 120 and 240 degrees instead of R= 90 degrees. This wattmeter method would provide the positive sequence values.

This is just a comment, I am trying to justify a reason for their method.

Snakers.

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