Ban Nano From Organic Farming?

nobody laughing here... this is serious stuff, with consequences to the future. both nano and genetically modified products are dangerous when we do not have the benefit if time to test the results of such powerful technology. If we as a species have any sense at all, we would impose global limits on both, until such testing is carried out, and the knowledge, and consequences unequivocally determined.

If you play with fire, you will get burned.

Hi Chris;

I agree, this is serious stuff, but no reason for no laughing though, just think of a world without KY...

In some cases, such as the Carbopol, research has been conclusive and the product has been here since the 60's.

I bet you have used many, may products containing it !

Yahlasit

Yahlasit, respectfully,

"I bet you have used many, may products containing it !"

yes.. probably all the ones i'm dying from.

your statement justifies reasons for banning such products from farming, imho.

I'd never heard of carbopol. it is not widely know about if I don't know about it. so how could i know how to use it if I bought some, and know that it won't cause deformities in my children. (or stay forever in the soil, becoming ever more toxic)

I don't. ban it.

chris

Hello Chris:

First, a word about respect: please don't take offense from my coments, it was not my intent to provoke any hard feelings, I hope you're not upset.

I'm really sorry to hear you're ill, you're a person who never offends no one, and your particular point of view about things, I mean, always inquiring about new technologies, or new applications for existing ones...

Even though I won't give any special treat to you, I'll be as respectfull as I always am, by default to everybody, plus that extra they usually gain (and rarely loose) over the time.

Carbo-polymers are very widely used as a coloidal suspension for many products: Almost all gels for your hair, medications, thickener for sauces, suspension of many gel-like tooth pastes, personal lubricants (like KY), hand sanitizers and other personal care products etc. (you Google it out).

But its function is merely mechanical, as a vehicle for things; it is a thirsty hydro-philic material that becomes a thick suspension by adsorbing many times its weight in water. But the size of its particles is so big, that they can't enter any of our different tissues' cells. It is old news, you'll find out.

But you can't hate or fear something just because you don't know it, what you should do, is to be carefull and/or do more research. You might be right about the rest of the unknown nano-stuff, it's just that I happened to know about this one in particular.

Yahlasit

Thank you. I was trying to be respectful to you!

I'm not ill with anything specific. I just don't feel as well as I should. but exercise and poor dietary choices are also to blame. I just don't want to get old, sick and die any sooner than I have to.

Chris

Thanks for you rserious thoughts. Even if you are dying with thousand things laughing will not make it worse. I never advocted uncontrolled induction of technology products in life. Only thing I wated to say that Nano and Genetics are very useful technologies and they should be used carefully without putting a ban on them.

Since we keep getting exposed to many things we do not know we should not stop laughing.

Laughing heals!!!

well said! I could not agree more. ga.

some how I missed the word "Organic" in the title. I was talking about banning it from ALL farming. (and I still am)

chris, I agree. I'd be very happy to see it banned from food/agricultural use entirely, but that would be up to the government. Whereas, the organic " ban" discussed here is in fact controlled by NGO's that determine what is the standard for organic certification and provide inspection and certification services to farmers/producers so the product can be sold as "certified organic". The government has no control and no say about this decision.

the evidence is all around. ga.

Thanks. I've noted similarities in our thinking before. I appreciate that you speak your mind.

very simply, don't put things in the food or water supply that is not understood what all the ramifications are. that is the line

If you don't know everything about it, don't eat it or drink it. or give it to children to eat or drink.

how much clearer of a line is needed?

agreed.. but we are talking about what becomes law, and that is different.

at this point, the food cartels in north americal are powerful enough that in certain cases, they don't have to put all the ingredients on the label. I should think it mandatory that the consumers are fully informed as to the full effects of the products, to the extents of the science that has been done. I realize that many of these testing protocols only test for the desired effects, in order to maximize profits, and minimize the negatives. this is not acceptable. I would think that other science organizatiosn could make a living performing independent testing.

anyway.. I am not part of the food industry except as a consumer, and as such, was only providing my opinion and logic.

Are you saying they should be able to put poorly understood and immature technology and substances into our food supply, in an unrestricted and unmonitored fashion? In my opinion, any who promote that ought to be the first guinea pigs, so we can learn from the diseases they develop.

Chris