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Carbon Equivalents and Weldability

Posted September 03, 2010 9:00 AM by Milo

The weldability of steels is influenced primarily by the carbon content. At higher carbon levels, steels may need either pre- or post- weld heat treatment in order to prevent stress build up and weld cracking.

Generally speaking, if the Carbon Equivalent (CE) is 0.35 or below, no pre- or post- weld thermal treatment is needed. In our experience with maintenance welding, we have found that preheating was beneficial between 0.35 and 0.55 CE. Above 0.55 CE we usually both pre- and post- weld heated to relieve stress and prevent cracking.

So CE= .35 max.

However, the other elements that are contained in the steel also have an effect on the steel's "carbon equivalence." These additional elements can really add up in scrap fed electric arc furnace steels that now predominate in our market.

Electric arc furnaces are primarily scrap fed.

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Here are two formulas for calculating Carbon Equivalents.

CE=%C+(%Mn/6)+(%Cr+%Mo+%Va)/5 + (%Si+%Ni+%Cu)/15

This is the first formula I learned when I took over metallurgical support for maintenance 'back in the day.'

In this formula you can see that 6 points of Manganese are approximately equal to one point of Carbon. 5 points of Chrome, Moly or Vanadium are roughly equal to a point of Carbon, while it takes about 15 points of Silicon, Nickel or Copper to get about the same effect as one point of Carbon.

The GE formula for Carbon Equivalency is CE= C+(Mn/6)+(Ni/20)+(Cr/10)+(Cu/40)+(Mo/50)+(Va/10). If this is less than .35 max, you should have no need to pre or post weld thermal treat in most cases.

As long as CE is no more than .35, you probably won't need to preheat or post weld stress relieve your welded parts. above .35 CE, you may need either or both depending on section thickness and CE.

* (I) added (extra parentheses) to keep (the terms) clear in (this post); no (scathing rebukes) from (math teachers) please!

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Re: Carbon Equivalents and Weldability

09/04/2010 3:08 AM

Low Carbon Steels

In general, steels with carbon contents to 0.30% are readily joined by all common arc welding processes. These grades account for the greatest tonnage of steels used in welded structures. Typical applications include tanks, structural assemblies, vessels, machine bases, earth moving and agricultural equipment, and general weldments.

� Steels with very low carbon contents to 0.13% are good welding steels, but they are not the best for high speed production welding. The low carbon content and the low manganese content (to 0.30%) tend to produce internal porosity. This condition is usually corrected by modifying the welding procedure slightly - usually by using a slower speed.

If the presence of some internal porosity has no detrimental effect on service requirements of the assembly, standard high speed welding procedures can be used.

Steels with very low carbon content are more ductile and easier to form than higher carbon steels. They are used for applications requiring considerable cold forming, such as stampings or rolled or formed shapes.

� Steels with 0.15 to 0.20 % carbon content have excellent weldability. They seldom require anything beyond standard welding procedures, and they can be welded with all types of mild steel electrodes. These steels should be used for max. production speed on assemblies or structures that require extensive welding.

� Steels at the upper end of the low carbon range 0.25 to 0.30 % carbon content have very good weldability, but when one or more of the elements is on the high side of permissible limits, cracking can results, particularly in fillet welds. With slightly reduced speeds and currents, any of the standard electrodes can be used for these steels.

If some of the elements - particularly carbon, silicon or sulfur - are on the high side of the limits, surface holes may form. Reducing current and speed minimizes this problem.

Although most welding applications of these steels require no preheating, heavy sections (2" or more) and certain joint configurations may require a preheat. Less preheating is required when low hydrogen processes are used.

In general, steels in the 0.25 to 0.30% carbon range should be welded with low hydrogen electrodes or with a low hydrogen process if the temp. is below 50 oF.

Medium and High Carbon Steels

� Because hardenability of steel increases with carbon content, the medium and high carbon steels serve where hardness, wear resistance or higher strength are needed. Important uses for medium carbon steels (to 0.45%) include wear plates, springs and components for railroad, agricultural, and earth moving and materials handling equipment.

Unfortunately, the same characteristics that make these steels so suitable for use in rugged parts and structures make them more difficult and costly to weld. The medium carbon steels can be welded successfully, however, provided proper procedures and preheat and interpass temperatures are used. Sometimes, postweld stress relief may be required.

The high carbon steels are almost always used in a hardened condition. Typical applications are for metalworking and woodworking tools, drills, dies, and knives, and for abrasion resistant parts such as plowshares and scraper blades. Some farm equipment is built from rerolled rail stock (0.65 %C), which is welded in the as-rolled condition, using preheating, interpass heating, and postweld stress relief.

Hardness of these steels can range from dead soft in the annealed condition to Rockwell C 65 (with rapid quench treatment) for the higher carbon grades. Although an AISI 1020 steel can be made as hard as Rc 50, hardness is very shallow. Increased carbon content increases depth of hardening and max. attainable hardness to about Rc 65.

Alloying elements increase depth of hardening but have little effect on max. hardness possible.

It is advisable to make sample weld tests to determine cracking tendencies of steels containing 0.30% or more carbon. If such tendencies are apparent, preheating of the steel may be necessary to retard the cooling rate from the welding temp. Required preheat temp. varies with analysis, size, and shape of the steel and with the amount of heat input from the welding process.

In general, the higher the carbon or alloy content and the thicker the plate, the higher the preheat temp. needed to provide the slow cooling rate required to prevent hardening.

Use of low hydrogen processes can minimize the degree of preheating necessary and can eliminate the need for preheating entirely in thinner materials. As a rule of thumb, preheat temp. used with low hydrogen electrodes can be 100 to 200 oF lower than those needed for electrodes other than low hydrogen.

● There are many equations for carbon equivalents derived in a lot of handbooks, one of these formulas is:

Ceq = %C + %Mn/6 + %Ni/15 + %Mo/4 + %Cr/4 + %Cu/13

● This formula is valid only if the alloy contents are less than the 0.50% C , 3.5% Ni , 1.00% Cr , 1.60% Mn , 0.60% Mo & 1.00% Cu

● Approximate preheat and interpass temperatures, based on carbon-equivalent values for steels, are :

Ceq up to 0.45% . . . . . . . . . . preheat is optional

Ceq = 0.45 to 0.60% . . . . . . . . . . 200 to 400 oF

Ceq over 0.60% . . . . . . . . . . . . . 400 to 700 oF

● Since all of the welding heat input at the arc does not enter the plate, the following heat inefficiencies are suggested for use with the formula :

75 - 80% for manual welding

90 - 100% for submerged-arc welding

Note. Whatever the equation of carbon equivalent, we –as an ASME holder for certificates of authorization- have to use the rules of UCS-56 and Appendix-R of ASME BPVC, Section VIII, Division 1, related to preheat, interpass heat and PWHT.

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09/07/2010 3:35 PM

This is an excellent answer and very thorough. It sounds like Abdel is an OSU grad! We are also an ASME authorized company. We have an "in house" rule for preheating. Any material that is over 1" thick is preheated. We have found that this enhances the properties in the heat affected zone and minimizes distortion. It is often costly but we have not had a HAZ failure since the rule was implemented.

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09/07/2010 3:42 PM

Another great teaching post from my esteemed colleague Abdel Halim Galela. GA! Thank you for contributing!

My experience is on the mill metallurgical side, and this experience is the source of my original posting. I am pleased to see the contributions of other engineer practitioners to provide additional sensemaking (dare I say spark?) to the conversation.

Thanks all!

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09/08/2010 1:25 PM

Thank you Milo for your nice compliment.

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Re: Carbon Equivalents and Weldability

09/04/2010 3:27 AM

Dear Milo,

I agree with a max. CE of 0.35 as long as you use the GE formula, when using the standard IIW formula you can have CE up to 0.44 before preheating is required.

If you calculate the CE according GE for a material with a certain chemical analyses for which CE will be near to 0.35 you will see that same anayse gives a IIW CE of about 0.44. So it will confuse people to say max. 0.35 in general.

If they keep this 0.35 in mind when using IIW formula preheating will be used even when not necessary and in these economic bad periods will add some extra costs to the structures which is not required.

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