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The Grass is Greener in China?

Posted September 21, 2010 7:54 AM

The good news is that green jobs appear to be on the rise; the bad news for the U.S. is that they may all be in China. Several recently published articles point to the trend, as Chinese companies expand their market share of green energy equipment and technologies such as wind turbines and solar panels. Some all calling for the government to investigate and revisit free trade regulations and subsidies. What happens if our alternative energy solution goes overseas? Has the U.S. lost its prime spot as an innovator on the world stage? Or is this a matter of poor business practices and politics rather than a lack of technological will?

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Re: The Grass is Greener in China?

09/21/2010 10:25 AM

Has the U.S. lost its prime spot as an innovator on the world stage?

No, at least not when it comes to China. Chinese industry is good at copying, but not so great at inventing.

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09/21/2010 3:54 PM

"Some all calling" ?????????

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09/21/2010 5:01 PM

This explains why the job my brother-in-law just got settled into, at a facility that manufactures parts for wind turbines, is being threatened. The job he lost prior to this, whereby he lost his house to the bank, was due to "outsourcing".

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09/22/2010 12:17 AM

No - there is very little if any intellectual capital in China. Only labor at $200/mo.

Yes - the US has a problem with one administration passing green laws only to be struck down with the next administration. Who in their right mind would invest in that? The demand is also in China because the government is quick to pass policies and stick with it.

The trick is to get tough on intellectual property rights with China. All of their equipment are copies of Seimens, GE, Mistubishi, etc etc etc. They even copy the mistakes! But try getting payment...

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09/22/2010 4:19 AM

Let us not rest on our laurels assuming all they can and will do is copy. Japan was once notorious for copying before become an innovator. If you make the somewhat dubious assumption that only 10% of qualified engineers in China and India are any good, their good engineers would outnumber all the engineers of the West, whatever their quality. This will surely lead to more innovation from the East.

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09/22/2010 7:26 AM

Has the U.S. lost its prime spot as an innovator on the world stage? Or is this a matter of poor business practices and politics rather than a lack of technological will?.

To some extend yes. U.S invented Automobile, Aeroplanes, Computers etc.

Where are any new inventions?

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09/22/2010 9:04 AM

The new ones are watching you from a geosynchronous orbit.

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09/23/2010 2:12 AM

the chinese goverment pour great effort to support the green energy industrial,such as electrical motor and electrial auto.now at the green energy field ,china stand advance place in some degree,however ,there are lots of problems need improving,such as innovator,management,etc.

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09/24/2010 12:41 AM

Any idea how many ventures exist in China with Western technology? Slow but steady, they have already "invented" stuff where we can only dream of and buy it from them. China follows exactly the US example, but will succeed to emerge into the largest world economy. (The produced figures are at least even or more misleading than the real"backed" dollar value. Put a real value on their exports of "made in China" and their economy is 2 times bigger than the US and Europe together) They prove us now that even with that small profit, they collect enough revenue to buy the world.

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10/01/2010 1:17 PM

The September 20, 2010, issue of The New Yorker magazine (p. 66) has an apposite article about inventor James Dyson (cyclonic vacuum cleaner) and his campaign in England to correct the perverse incentives that have resulted in decline of manufacturing there. And in the US, I would add. Engineers are scorned as peons and Wall Street swindlers are praised as gurus. Actually making things in the US is passe; boosting your CEO bonus by liquidating assets and firing workers is what is going on in reality now. As in England, a parasitic class of ignorant toffs is in charge of industrial policy. To get the workers to vote for them, they enact ridiculously expanded employer liabilities, which results in manufacturers fleeing overseas and jobs disappearing.

I don't agree with those who think China can't invent, but America can. China gave us steel, paper, gunpowder, the blower, and many other inventions. Even the blind diligence of ants -- if there are enough of them scurrying around -- can produce amazing things.

America still has the capacity, but now lacks the will to invent anything. Inventors in America are treated even worse than engineers. They are the butt of ridicule, and they are accused of destroying jobs by their innovations. Big business and its chorus calls them "trolls." Even issued patents are endlessly reexamined and litigated by well-funded infringers who would rather spend millions on lawyers than anything for royalties or for in-house technology development.

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