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Are We Eating Humanely?

Posted October 14, 2011 7:54 AM

Many people who eat meat want factory farming and industrial agriculture to change their slaughterhouse practices to ensure the humane treatment of animals. There are some new technologies on the market that promise just that, including the use of low atmospheric pressure to stun chickens. Proponents claim the process is painless, but is improvement in the slaughtering process enough for a company to call itself humane? What about living conditions and feeding procedures?

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10/14/2011 9:52 AM

As strange as it sounds coming from me, the method of killing doesn't much matter, as long as it's quick. However, the life cycle/living conditions for the animals, in my opinion, should be one of relative comfort, not crowded, slow torture up until the moment of death.

I'm a meat eater, but I also believe that cows, chickens, etc. are sentient beings and should be treated as such. It sounds a bit like hypocracy, but I think that raising and killing them for food is alright. Subjecting them to what amounts to torture up until death, is not.

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10/14/2011 11:16 AM

I remember standing in awe at the age of 5. After my grandmother chop the head off a chicken. She dropped it and the chicken ran out into the field with out it's head. I don't think you can say there is anything humane about taking a life. But I see it as a necessity as I do eat meat. I am more concern about living conditions.

Most slaughterhouse look for the best way to kill to reduce fear. The other animals can sense fear. It cause undue stress on the other animals. Makes them harder to control. It also makes more mess to clean up.

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10/14/2011 11:27 AM

I like meat, I enjoy eating tasty animals of various types. Few people believe in torturing them....but consider how an animal would meet its end at the hands of nature....ANY method commonly in use, is magnitudes more humane.

I hunt, I like to hunt, I never choose to not drop them instantly where they stand.

But I don't lose sleep over it when I don't.

Because its more humane, the meat tastes better because the Adrenalin pumped into a scared and suffering animal degrades the flavor significantly....sometimes to the point of making it almost inedible.

There are factor other than cost or speed in play.....shortcuts can reduce the quality and those value of the meat. And that affects the bottom line. And they don't ignore that.

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10/14/2011 1:15 PM

Many people who eat meat want factory farming and industrial agriculture to change their slaughterhouse practices to ensure the humane treatment of animals.

Sounds like the OP is a PETA member or something - maybe just throwing out a wild statement based on conjecture and third parties to stir up a storm?

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10/14/2011 4:27 PM

If anyone thinks that our processes of raising and killing animals for food is unacceptable they clearly have no clue as to how nature handles things.

Too crowded? No problem just tear each other apart.

Lack of food? No worries, just starve to death and take as much time as you need.

Need a quick snack along the way? Tackle the nearest other animal that you can conveniently catch and tear out a big chunk. Suffering and slow lingering death to follow later if you couldn't finish the whole thing.

Someones on your turf? Hey just sting them or inject them with venom and let them dissolve from the inside out. That will teach em.

Bored? Find someone who is smaller than you and toss them around like its a game for a while. Occasional puncture wounds and broken bones just make the game more interesting, well until your new toy dies anyway but hey you can just go and find another one to replace it.

Nature is not and has never been carring or the least bit concerned about who feels what and for how long.

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10/15/2011 6:51 AM

It is amazing how people justify killing the animals. If animal is killed in the wild, it is nature's way of survival of the fittest. You can not equate that with factory like raising and killing the animals. There is nothing humane in killing an animal, whichever method you use. Incidentally if every one turned vegetarian, we can make do with only half the land for cultivation, the rest can go back to forests. We all talk about the green house gases. How much Co2 is generated by miilions of cattle waiting to be killed and raised in the pens for killing. Only humane thing is the right to life of all living beings. All have souls, all have sentiments and all have intelligence.

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10/15/2011 9:31 AM

Or we can all just go out on hunting parties and compete for food. Maybe accidently shooting one another more often in the process.

Less land needed to feed people? Much of our farmland already is slowly turning into desert caused from the salt in the water used in irrigation and fertilizers. We are slowly losing farmlands, not to mention the farmlands being converted to commercial use and subdivisions.

Furthermore MEAT is a natural part of our diets. In fact, medical professionals recommend you eat fish at least 5 times a week.

I read a blog written by a Medical Doctor who identified himself as being a vegetarian stating that being a vegetarian is no more healthier than the that of someone that eats meat. The only reason for choosing a vegetarian diet over the that of eating meat is purely a moral decision.

Then the question arises, what morals determine whether or not it's ok to eat meat? The only reason you are a vegetarian is because you have to luxury of choosing to be one. Take away the farms, take away the stores and leave you to having to fend for yourself and you're a vegetarian no more.

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10/15/2011 9:53 AM

Yeah. I don't want anyone to think I'm overboard on this stuff. No problems with hunting, eating meat, etc.

The only problem I have is with a few of the practices. Like keeping animals basically piled on top of each other and living in their own feces. Grinding up cow carcasses, bones, brains, etc. and feeding it back to cows, (which are vegetarian), was also a really bad idea.

Humans will do some nasty things in the name of picking up a few more dollars. I think at some point, it can become morally wrong, regardless of if the animal is for food.

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10/15/2011 10:09 AM

I agree. The dollar has done much to take the humanity out of man.

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10/15/2011 7:31 PM

Now here's an example of some cool pigs. I wouldn't mind keeping some rugged tasty pigs myself... I think I need a fence first, though.

I think it's more difficult to address the living conditions, the bigger the scale of the farm. Maybe more small farms is the answer, and more, raising your own.

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10/15/2011 7:48 PM

It's going to be open season on these guys. They're spreading, growing, and wiping out every area they touch. They also happen to be delicious. The meat is far better than store bought pork.

Once again, the government is spending money trying to figure out what to do about them. All they would have to do is put a $20 bounty on them, and the country boys would have the problem solved, while the university professors were still scratching their heads.

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10/16/2011 9:20 AM

Kram, you're absolutely correct that the Gov is wasting millions of $$$$ doing yet another study.......a head bounty on these bad boys will quickly solve the feral pig problem!

Thank goodness we don't have that problem here in upstate NY to the degree you southern boys have....at least I don't think we have that problem yet......never seen feral pig tracks, dropping, or destruction of crops and forests while hunting.

I wouldn't mind bagging one or tow of 'em for the dinner table though. hehehehehe

Q: What would you say is the must effect rifle round/caliber to take a large boor or sow, or is it shotgun time? Just curious...

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10/16/2011 10:42 AM

I'm not a hunter, but you want to use something large caliber and powerful. No shotguns.................it will just piss them off. They are both smart, and mean as hell.

They are also moving northward. I saw a show on animal planet about them. They breed like rabbits and they are learning to hide from humans.

I just found this cool caliber chart..................think big and aim true.

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10/16/2011 11:36 AM

okay kram, thanks for the link.

I'd probably have no problem with Ruger .306 with a Win Round Point, as it'll stop a Black Bear in it's tracks. If all fails, I pull out my M1911A1 (.45 ACP) and blow the MF away! LOL MMMMMM BBQ porkchops!

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10/16/2011 11:15 PM

You dont need anything to extravagant. .308, 30-30, even the likes of .243 Win has been very effective. Shot placement is key. Of course, itsn't it always?

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10/17/2011 5:25 PM

I can easily justify it, I,m hungry!! Still is survival of the fittest! You really need to check your facts about how much land is needed to grow animals for food compared to how much land is required to grow crops for that same amount of people. I guess as far as your concerned it's ok to take a domesticated animal and turn it lose in the forest so it can be ripped apart alive by another predator and because you didn't do it that makes it humane. In the next statement you complain about the Co2 levels created by all of these animals, how is turning them all lose in the forest going to cut those emissions? are they mysteriously going to stop emitting Co2 because they're in the forest now?

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All have souls, all have sentiments and all have intelligence.

Since it's an international forum, we need to tread lightly sometimes. Many cultures hold animals in reverence.

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10/17/2011 5:59 PM

Point taken and my apologies to anyone who may have taken offense that was not my intent.

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10/17/2011 6:36 PM

Correction, I have been around enough sheep, cocker spaniels, poodles, internet forums, and managers to know full well not everything is granted intelligence along with life!

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Intelligence is relative......................keep talkin'.

I never said that animals are intelligent. They are however, self aware. They also experience certain emotions. Anger, fear, play, etc.

Go out in your yard with a 45 and blow your poodle's brains out in front of the other animals and let me know if there is a reaction.

Jeez, I'm not a PETA guy, but there is still right and wrong.

I knew guys in southern GA that would shoot a deer and consummate the relationship while it was still warm. Just don't seem right to me.

My posts have a lot to do with the way animals are treated up until death. They also have to do with human behavior, that at times is just plain disturbing.

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10/17/2011 9:33 PM

You're right, I'm wrong.

We've figured out how to keep food producing animals in the smallest cages as possible. They tend to get sick, but we've beaten that too. Jack them up with hormones and antibiotics long enough to get them to the dinner table.

Damn we're smart!

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10/18/2011 8:56 AM

Kram, am I assuming this correctly about those GA hunters in that they're ummmm dropping their collective drawers and messing with dead deer?????

Man, that IS soooooo not right!!!!!

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10/18/2011 2:37 PM

Yep. Not all of them but some of them. And they talk about it................like it's completely natural. Crazy!!!!

I guess it's not bestiality if the animal is dead.

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10/18/2011 2:40 PM

Man you know some strange guys, or I've lived a sheltered life......I never heard a single hunter even hint at that my entire life......Until this thread.

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10/18/2011 2:50 PM

An Indian guy I worked with on a skidding crew logging on the west side of Mt Hood in Oregon always joked about the last dying quiver. Long time back now - that would have been in '64

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Some of these guys were on my paint crew. I went down there to run the paint and glass on a new federal penitentiary.

I had never heard of anything like that either.......................until I got to south Georgia.

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10/17/2011 10:42 AM

I don't believe in justifying bad behavior simply by pointing out examples of worse.

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He is right. Nature can be ruthless. Although I've never heard of an instance where one species of animal forces 10s of thousands of another species to live in their own poop, in a state of perpetual panic....................That is a purely human trait.

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Not worse behavior rather natural behavior. Human cognitive perspective is the only variant in the definition and that has only been around a few Melania out of the countless eons that nature has been doing what nature does to survive without remorse regret or hesitation.

By the view of natural selection and competition us humans are the odd ones out. We uphold the weak, slow, and dim. The rest of life on this planet does that only on the most rarest of times and even then puts limits on that.

If your not beneficial you are eventually going to be food or entertainment or a bit of both to somebody.

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10/15/2011 12:26 PM

I'm echoing several others here in saying that I do hunt and enjoy hunting.....mostly White Tail Deer.

If we hunters didn't thin out the huge deer hears every year up here in upstate NY and elsewhere, then the end results will be overpopulation of deer that usually stave in a harsh winter...or.....get struck by a motorist (highest incidences of deer-motor vehicle collisions occur during late October and November during the "Rut").....then those anti-hunter fanatics bitch about the damage done by an errant deer or herd of deer to their precious and expensive car, SUV or PU Truck playtoy. Their beliefs and actions, as usual, smack of Hippocratic psycho-babble.....

GIVE ME VENISON OR GIVE ME DEATH!!!!

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"PILE ON THE VEAL PLEASE, AS HIGH AS YOU CAN!!!!!!!!!! I WANT TO MAKE WIENER SCHNITZEL OR JAEGER SCHNITZEL FOR OKTOBERFEST!!!! YUMMERS!!!"

Ja, Ja, Sehr gut!

And a big pile of red cabbage and spaetzle on the side.

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10/17/2011 8:33 AM

IanR, I'm on board with ya on that pickled red cabbage and piles of spaetzle!

Now that the hoards have left Munich's Oktoberfest it's high time to book a flight to my most favorite Bavarian city for a few liters of Spaten dark or a good wheat beer, schnitzel, and the aforementioned goodies! Or a road trip to our favorite German restaurant nearby to celebrate my wife's 53rd Birthday on Wednesday! YUMMERS

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10/17/2011 9:02 AM

I know those wild hogs are causing massive issues anyplace they are.

Tasty beasts they are, besides destructive and dangerous.

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Smoothy, you're dang right on those counts....

A few months ago I viewed a series of AnimalPlanet Channel shows where they were hunting down feral pigs in the SE USA and Texas.....OMG the amount of destruction they can cause was horrendous, including severe water pollution!

And those tusks are extremely dangerous! I never realized until that show that a domesticated hog once it goes feral can grow those tusks in the wild........how come only in the wild? The show never explained why this occurs.

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10/17/2011 12:04 PM

According to what I read, there are pig escapes and boar escapes and they are interbreeding in the wild. Hence, tusks.

Anyone eating these beasts should be aware, they are reported carriers of some unpleasant diseases including trichinosis so don't be eating any rare... cook em really well done, unless you've had a blood sample tested clean first.

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10/17/2011 12:38 PM

I have always assumed any domestic raw pork to be at risk and cooked it well as a rule of thumb.....unpleasant for some of those is almost an understatement.

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Yeh... for my own part I've always liked the ring of the phrase "well done", and pretty much stick to that for all meat. The habits picked up while growing up in South America have pretty much stuck with me for life (and no regrets).

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