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Is Brazing Welding????

Posted March 07, 2012 12:00 PM by larhere

As one of the newer GEA Associates I'm going to share some of the knowledge and experience I gained in my 38 years with Trane. We won't be limited to just North America since Trane has factories around the world making a broad range of products, using many different types of joining processes and having to meet differing code requirements.

Is Brazing Welding? If you answered - No - you are correct. Brazing is not welding as defined by AWS(American Welding Society) standard A3.0 which defines technical terms for the welding industry. The same answer applies to soldering, which is like a 1st cousin to brazing. See definitions below.

Pressure joints on HVAC equipment are commonly joined by the welding, brazing and soldering processes. When ASME applies only welding and brazing processes can be considered. When ASME does not apply, soldering can be considered. The selection of any process for an application is dependent on meeting the service conditions. For example, brazing or soldering should never be considered for joining steam lines because the filler metals could not meet the service temperature requirements.

Do you know why foreign countries, U.S. states and local jurisdictions define codes and standards to follow for welding and brazing? The reason is because they are special processes. In other words the quality of the joint is difficult or impossible to measure. When you look at a completed joint all you see is the outside. You are looking at the tip of an iceberg. The great majority of the quality or lack of quality is subsurface. Nondestructive testing equipment is available like x-ray and ultrasonics, but the great majority of companies cannot justify them. This is one of the reasons why additional safety factors are built into the design calculations for joints. The detailed requirements in codes like ASME involve documented procedures for process and worker performance qualifications.

When codes and standards do not apply it is known through out the industry that the manufacturer is responsible to use SEP(Standard Engineering Practice) for applying welding, brazing and soldering.

Definitions

Welding requires fusion or melting of the base metals being joined. It can be with or without the use of filler metals and with or without the use of pressure. The most common welding processes that use an electric arc in generating the heat are the generic names stick, mig, flux-core, tig and subarc.

Brazing uses filler metals that melt above 840°F (450°C) but below the melting point of the base metals to be joined. The base metals are heated around the joint until the filler metal melts and flows by capillary attraction into the parallel joint clearance between the base metals. A permanent bond is the result. Silver brazing is a commonly used term if brazing filler metals contain any percentage of silver. Brazing fluxes are used to prevent oxidation of the base metals, except for copper to copper joints that may be brazed with copper/phosphorous filler metals.

Soldering uses filler metals that melt below 840°F (450°C) but below the melting point of the base metals to be joined. The base metals are heated around the joint until the filler metal melts and flows by capillary attraction into the parallel joint clearance between the base metals. A permanent bond is the result. Silver soldering is a correct term if the soldering filler metals contain any percentage of silver. Soldering fluxes are used to prevent oxidation of the base metals. Soldering is not permitted by the ASME codes.

Next month I'll get into specifics of welding, brazing and soldering for HVAC equipment and we'll discuss the key variables for all three.

Editor's Note: CR4 would like to thank Bill Spietz of GEA Consulting for contributing this blog entry.

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Re: Is Brazing Welding????

03/07/2012 6:26 PM

How would you fit explosive welding technology into your equation? This is a process where an explosive is used to produce pressure that forces two dissimilar metals to bond; steel and aluminum for example.

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03/07/2012 7:36 PM

"Welding requires fusion or melting of the base metals being joined."

fusion=The process or result of joining two or more things together to form a single entity.

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03/08/2012 5:13 PM

Very Good Question.

AWS A3.0 defines explosive welding as a solid state process. During the application of pressure there is no melting of the metals being joined. Therefore, this is different from fusion welding.

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03/07/2012 10:42 PM

Just to throw a spanner in the works, what about "braze welding"

From Australian Standard "AS 2812-2005 Welding, brazing and cutting of metals-Glossary of terms"

"1.014 braze welding

The joining of metals using a technique similar to fusion welding and a bronze welding filler metal with a lower melting point than the parent metal, but neither using capillary action as in brazing nor melting the parent metal."

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03/08/2012 1:56 AM

I think this is still brazing, as none of the metals being joined are melted....

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03/08/2012 5:36 PM

Another great question.

According to AWS A3.0 braze welding is a joining process where the brazing filler metal is deposited in the joint without capillary action and without melting of the base metals. I have braze welded copper to copper mitre joints(headers on coils) with both GTAW(Tig) torches and oxy-fuel torches using silicon bronze rod. And, to show you how old I am, I have joined stainless steel nameplates to ASME pressure vessels using carbon arc welding rods with silicon bronze rod.

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03/08/2012 6:49 AM

Brazing is not a welding (see definition of Braze Welding), also Soldering is not a welding, where

Welding

- Weld a localized coalescence* of metals produced either by heating the materials to suitable temperatures, with or without the application of pressure; or by the application of pressure alone, and with or without the use of filler material.

- Arc Welding a group of welding processes wherein coalescence is produced by heating with an arc or arcs, with or without the application of pressure, and with or without the use of filler metal.

- Fusion Welding welding in which the weld is made between metals in a molten state without the application of pressure.

Brazing

- Braze a joint produced either by heating an assembly to suitable temperatures and by using a filler metal having a liquidus above 840 oF and below the solidus of the materials. The filler metal is distributed between the closely fitted surfaces of the joint by capillary action.

- Brazing a group of metal joining processes which produces coalescence* of materials by heating them to a suitable temperature, and by using a filler metal having a liquidus above 840 oF and below the solidus of the materials. The filler metal is distributed between the closely fitted surfaces of the joint by capillary action.

- Braze Welding the joining of metals using a technique similar to fusion welding and a filler metal with a lower melting point than the parent metal, but neither using capillary action as in brazing nor intentionally melting the parent metal.

Soldering

- Solder a joint produced either by heating an assembly to suitable temperatures and by using a filler metal having a liquidus below 800 oF and below the solidus of the materials. The filler metal is distributed between the closely fitted surfaces of the joint by capillary action.

- Soldering a group of metal joining processes which produces coalescence* of materials by heating them to a suitable temperature, and by using a filler metal having a liquidus below 800 oF and below the solidus of the materials. The filler metal is distributed between the closely fitted surfaces of the joint by capillary action.

- Coalescence : the growing together or growth into one body of the materials being welded.

- Complete fusion : fusion which has occurred over the entire base material surfaces intended for welding.

• Fusion Welding : - Arc Welding at 6500 OF

• Nonfusion Joining (not welding):

- Brazing: Filler metal temp. is greater than 800 OF & still lower than the Melting Point of Base Metal

- Soldering: Filler metal temp. is lower than 800 OF & still lower than the Melting Point of Base Metal

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03/08/2012 5:33 PM

I did a search for explosive welding and found the following: It is a non-fusion welding process which can join dissimilar metals, aluminum to steel for example. It has been used to join aluminum superstructure to a steel hull in Navy ships. The material has been copyrighted under the name "Detacouple" by Dupont. Unlike welding, brazing or soldering, a bond is formed by the use of a chemical explosive that forces two dissimilar metals into intimate contact through pressure and heat. The bond formed is homogeneous and will not come apart.

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03/08/2012 11:05 PM

Again - Great comment.

In my old job building large, commercial heat exchangers we used thick steel tube sheets clad with titanium. The two metals were explosively welded and is a common application for having a corrosion surface on the water side of heat exchangers.

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03/09/2012 12:40 PM

Like many of us, we tend to expand our answers to simple questions and end up going off topic. The answer to your question, "Is Brazing Welding????" is a simple NO.

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03/28/2012 8:30 AM

No brazing is not welding

Brazing and Welding are 2 different methods of joining 2 similar or dissimilr metals with different end results.

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