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Does Nuclear Power Have a Fading Future?

Posted April 04, 2012 9:30 AM by cheme_wordsmithy

At its inception, nuclear power was advertised as a means to affordable, clean, and safe electricity. It may have once been seen as the most immediate answer to the energy crisis in terms of combating climate change. But even before the Fukushima disaster, the industry's future was waning. Now many are questioning whether nuclear has any future at all.

Watts Barr Nuclear Plant in Spring City Tennessee. - Source: Knox News

The Good Stuff

What people know and like about nuclear power is that it is a source of stable baseload electricity. The stability comes from the fact that, once operational, nuclear plants stay online and provide power 24/7 for up to a year before they need refueling, a process which typically takes only a couple weeks.

Nuclear power also boasts zero carbon emissions. This means that using nuke plants to displace fossil fuel plants (e.g. coal and natural gas) could generously aid in the fight for a reduced carbon footprint and energy security.

In addition, nuclear advocates will quickly point out the low operating costs of nuclear plants once established and running, referring to them as cash generators. They create jobs and revenue for the local communities in which they are established.

The Bad Stuff

What people know and don't like about nuclear power is that it can lead to disasters. Not-surprisingly, people don't like the possibility of a Chernobyl, Three-Mile Island, or Fukushima happening again, especially near them. Many argue that nuclear power is inherently dangerous, and as such cannot be made inherently safe (see this opinion from a USNews debate on the expansion of nuclear power).

There are also doubts about nuclear power's actual economic viability. The permitting and capital costs associated with nuke plants are enormous, and any design takes years to construct. Technologies to update existing plants are incredibly expensive. The fresh water resources required by nuke plants are also a concern. Many argue that nuclear power would be too expensive and uneconomical without government support.

National security is also a big concern for some, who question whether nuclear plants or the spent fuel rods they generate could be targets for terrorists or unstable government regimes.

An Uncertain Future

The post-Fukushima reaction of many countries has made it seem like nuclear power is on its death bed. Germany, the leader of nuclear power withdrawals, said it will close all 22 of its reactors by 2022. Plans for two new UK power stations have also been abandoned within the last week. In addition, the Chinese are delaying the construction of new plants pending a safety review.

Westinghouse's AP1000 nuclear reactor. - Source: The Energy Blog -->

However, some initiatives for new plants remain unchanged. The United States has continued to make investments in nuclear power, with a number of Westinghouse AP1000 units (among others) scheduled to be built within the next decade (see this page for more information on US nuclear progress). And while plans for two UK reactors were cancelled, six other projects remain unchanged; French and French-Spanish companies EDF and NuGen (respectively) have stayed committed to their building initiatives in the UK.

A quick Google search on nuclear power today will provide a number of vastly different predictions and opinions on its future. With an industry so swamped in political and social implications, what more could be expected? What are your thoughts on nuclear power and the future of its contribution to the energy solution?

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04/04/2012 12:19 PM

Well, yes and no; do we need to split hairs?

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04/04/2012 1:12 PM

What about fusing hairs?

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04/04/2012 4:23 PM

I thought it was fission.

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04/04/2012 5:38 PM

We are working on fusion now. Just around the corner. :)

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04/05/2012 9:14 PM

Fission is fizzling out. They're lighting the fuse on fusion.

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04/04/2012 6:11 PM

No....

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04/05/2012 9:35 AM

I agree to NO, but the complexion will have to change.

The present reactors use thermal (slow) neutrons, and can use only a small percent of the enriched uranium fuel--that means lots of radioactive "waste." However, as I understand it, reactors using fast neutrons can utilize this "waste" as fuel, therefore consuming it. A fast neutron reactor can also use as fuel uranium-238 (by far the most prevalent isotope in natural uranium), thorium, and others. Of course it makes waste, but a lot smaller volume than the thermal neutron reactors; this waste is also much less radioactive with a much shorter half-life.

I also understand that these fast neutron reactors can be designed to replace the heat generating part of convention generating plants, thus keeping the turbines and generators that produce the electrical power--we don't have to trash the generating portion of the plant.

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04/06/2012 2:08 PM

For the people concerned with nuclear energy, fission and fusion, you need to look at the DOE (Dept. of Energy) budget recommendations for Budget year 2013. The DOE budget for continuing research funding really amounts to severe immediate cuts to the US facilities in favor of funding the future ITER site in France that will not likely be on line for close to a decade. The severe cuts to current and future research for improved and safer fission reactors and future fusion reactors will cripple or shut down US research that could lead to improved or new equipment that would reduce or vastly improve the safety concerns related to nuclear energy.

While alternate solar, wind and tidal energy sources can be used to supplement our exiting energy sources, they are unlikely to ever be able to completely replace them.

These two web sites (http://www.fusionfuture.org/ and http://fire.pppl.gov/) contain much more information related to the DOE budget cuts for energy research. While they are dealing with fusion research and its' potential as a future energy source, they contain information and links to other sources for related energy matters that will be affected by the recommended DOE research budget cuts.

Critical areas that will be affected by the DOE budget cuts will be education and the training of technicians, engineers and scientists that work in these fields. It will hurt or cripple the ability of the US to participate on the world stage in these areas moving into the future. The US may end up having to purchase the new technologies in these areas of fission and fusion energy from other countries in the future.

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04/05/2012 12:30 AM

".. When three nuclear reactors in Japan literally exploded across our TV screens in March 2011 .." Wow! this opinion from the USNewsdebate opinion is a classic case of disinformation.

20,000 people died from a tsuanmi and none from the reactors that were knocked over. Other than the high levels of stress induced by hysteria, it proved that Nukes are safe.

Nukes aren't perfect but they will become more viable as time goes by.

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04/05/2012 7:48 AM

From safety point of view(Hiroshima,Nagasaki,Chernobyl,3mile island,Fukishima etc) it is better to go for renewables and develop energy storing devices(batteries)

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04/05/2012 8:04 AM

Define better?

You may think it is better in the sense that it is less dangerous or polluting, but is that the only criteria? I think not.

What if someone knocked on your door and offered an energy alternative that was truly 100% "green and safe" in both its manufacture and its operation? What if the cost of that was 20 times the current cost (money) of your current energy bill? Would you buy it? Could you buy it?

Like most of us, no.

Better means different things than simply safe. We do what we do because it is a balance between good and bad. You can't have something that is all good without a price of some kind, so we make compromises. For some nations nuclear power is a better alternative. For others, fossil fuel is a better alternative. Others may have hydroelectric at their fingertips, which is better for them.

Almost in all circumstance better is simply a choice of the lessor of two evils. Eventually you will come to understand that, that definition of better also applies to politics, geopolitics, health, wellbeing, shelter, food, energy, joy, peace, war, you name it.

Life is always a compromise.

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04/05/2012 8:47 AM

The answer is NO! Here in the UK and elsewhere scientists are working on reactors that use Thorium as the fuel, it is easier to work with, and the by-products are less dangerous, so we can expect to see these new thorium power plants in the near future!

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04/05/2012 8:57 AM

Having worked with the Nuclear industry and coal,gas,oil fired power plants i can say there are pluses and minuses in any of them.

One of the problems is that people hear the word "RADIOACTIVE" and go into an instant panic. They do not know the effects or limits of electromagnetic radiation.

If you want the lowest limits of radiation exposure then do not stand near Granite or go outside in the sunshine or ever take an airplane flight.

I am sure there has been a study of lives lost in mining coal vrs. lives lost in an overexposure to radiation.

Someone come up with the numbers please.

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04/05/2012 9:10 AM

Hi ronclarke, I collect minerals in a big way, and what you said is quite true, and many people cannot understand that I have radioactive minerals in my collection, when I point out to them that most of them are not that radioactive they don't believe me, the reason for this is that the so-called green lobby here in the UK have been telling everybody how bad radioactivity is, to the extent that many people won't allow themselves to be either x-rayed or scanned by a cat-scanner!

What has to be done is that people need to be told the truth, and to that extent the government here has provided a lot of printed pamphlets for anyone who wants to know the truth, but of course, it is also true that radioactivity is bad for you if you get too near to the source material, but how many people have done that in their daily lives???

This is one of the reasons that our government has given our scientists the go-ahead to investigate the use of Thorium as a new nuclear fuel, it is more plentiful than any other, it is easier to work with, and the by-products are not as dangerous as other nuclear fuels!

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04/05/2012 9:23 AM

I agree about the need for FACTUAL information--anything that mentions radioactive or nuclear induces panic; information should help them to understand. Although some are so stubborn that they will refuse to understand!

Do these people realize that they are getting cosmic radiation all day every day?

Thorium reactors--see another post about reactors using fast neutrons.

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04/05/2012 9:35 AM

but of course, it is also true that radioactivity is bad for you if you get too near to the source material,
I can walk around, just about anywhere, with my giger counter (calibrated to Cs 137) and receive 5 to 7 counts (events) per second. This is normal background radiation.
Radiation is all around us and is naturally occurring.

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04/05/2012 9:51 AM

Yes I agree with you about the background radiation, but most people I talk to don't realise this, that is also talked about in our governments pamphlets on radiation, so that people can understand things better!

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04/05/2012 11:03 AM

Just quick Google search landed me a couple studies, one comparing pollution and accidents, another factoring in energy ratios (deaths per TWh).

This page links to both of them, though this other page also gives a great visual.

A summary of the results says that:

"compared with nuclear power, coal is responsible for five times as many worker deaths from accidents, 470 times as many deaths due to air pollution among members of the public, and more than 1,000 times as many cases of serious illness, according to a study of the health effects of electricity generation in Europe."

The study is a bit old (2007), and some of the estimates are, well... estimates, and could be sketchy. But I think it's still obvious coal kills/harms more people than nuclear.

On the flip side, major catastrophes (like a major nuclear disaster) are often weighted a lot more heavily in peoples minds than large numbers of small accidents and less noticeable (pollution related) casualties. So it goes...

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04/05/2012 11:14 AM

Yes, here in the UK, since they stopped using a lot of coal-fired power plants (although we do have a few left), then peoples respiratory systems have been in better health, but it doesn't matter how we produce electricity, there has to be some form of danger to the human population, and I don't just mean at the point of producing it, there has been many health problems caused by the products used to produce the different parts/plants to produce electrity or any other form of power, we cannot get away from all dangers when we convert any material into energy!

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04/05/2012 11:20 AM

On the flip side, major catastrophes (like a major nuclear disaster) are often weighted a lot more heavily in peoples minds than large numbers of small accidents and less noticeable (pollution related) casualties. So it goes..
When someone dies of overexposure to radiation , its a major news event. When someone (coal miner) dies of black lung its a side script in a small town newspaper.

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04/05/2012 11:43 AM

There's that too, all because, as you said before, radiation is a scare word for the misinformed, and is much more newsworthy than something as (sadly) 'familiar' as black lung.

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04/05/2012 12:13 PM

This is one of the reasons I think Wikipedia and the internet is so important, people need to learn they have a place to go to get the truth about things, not just some sensationalized newspaper story or rumor...then when they read something that may be of concern, then they can check the facts and know the truth....The logical way to do this would be publicly funded by the government, but sadly nobody trusts the government anymore...People are generally much more aware of these nuclear myths then they were just 10 yrs ago....and it is because of the internet...

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04/05/2012 2:45 PM

Melanoma is usually caused by damage from UV light from the sun.

about 48,000 melanoma related deaths occur worldwide per year

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanoma

More deaths due to natural occurring radiation each year then those of any one industrial nuclear accident.

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Contamination in water was found in pacific ocean due to nuclear accident in Fukishama(Japan). What will happen to those who eat the fish from the contaminated water. Why can't UN impose penalties on Japan?.

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04/06/2012 7:37 AM

Why? 20,000 dead. Haven't the Japanese been punished enough?

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04/06/2012 10:29 AM

That is not enough.How many people were killed in Iraq,Afghanistan,Srilanka etc by Japanese support to USA?.

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04/06/2012 11:30 AM

So your position is that more Japanese should die?

You must have a miserable life.

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04/06/2012 12:08 PM

Not only Japanese but Americans,Indians,Chinese,Russians,Pakistanis,Bangaladeshis too

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Recently, I was watching some Iapanese newscasts. The scientists - knowing what to look for - found the next plate under the ocean likely to slip. Setting up tsunami easily twice as high we all saw. Twice as high, 4-10times as destructive. Their question really was: what to do with a high% of the population, industry, and yes their atomic power plants, of which they have some 50. Now, that is some real dilemma. They cannot simply keep them turned off: they go broke in a short order. They cannot simply turn them back on: what about the next tsunami?!?

I do not envy the task of civil engineers and decision makers there.

Compared to that, what are we futzing around here with antique Rev.08 designs from the 1940es?? They were nice, shiny new then. Now, scrap them, and put in a modern design. Compact, failsafe, minimal waste. Bury them, that the sea cannot get to them. Make it sure, they do not depend on any external power. And change the core every 30 years.

And, since it is not a technology problem, the question to the NIMBY crowd (not in my backyard, nohow, never). A nice little town in California is badly bankrupt, was reported. It has a very nice oil patch under it. The city fathers are agonizing, if they should allow drilling for it - as it is custom in California - or keep their clean air and vistas, and let the citizens go bankrupt instead. Contemplate, what those citizens will do about them now, or at the next elections. And who will want such losers anywhere? Food for thought.

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04/06/2012 4:26 AM

Until the industry begins reusing spent rods to get the half-life down, there's going to be quite a resistance to permitting any more nuclear power plants. The storage of the spent rods is a very risky task. We shouldn't make these dangerous spent rods for our future generations to deal with.

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