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U.K. Court Upholds Ruling That Could Threaten EU Motorsports

Posted December 06, 2017 9:00 AM by dstrohl
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In ruling for a charity that benefits crash victims earlier this month, the High Court of England and Wales supported a European Union court ruling on compulsory insurance that racers and racing fans believe will decimate motorsports across Europe.

The High Court, in its ruling for the plaintiff in RoadPeace v Secretary of State for Transport and MIB, held that any use of a motor vehicle, whether on or off public roads, requires motor vehicle insurance, a ruling consistent with the European Court of Justice’s September 2014 verdict in the case of Vnuk v. Triglav, which found that the EU’s 2009 Motor Insurance Directive did not clearly distinguish between on-road and off-road use and, therefore, any motor vehicle – regardless of its use on public or private property – must be insured.

The U.K.-based Motorsport Industry Association (which has yet to issue a statement on the RoadPeace ruling) earlier this year argued that the Vnuk ruling poses a significant threat to all European motorsports not only because on-track crashes will be subject to the same police investigations as on-road crashes, but also because insurance covering competition cars either doesn’t exist throughout the European Union or exists at rates of up to 20 times that of typical on-road insurance coverage.

It looks like going forward, all British racers will need vehicle insurance, regardless of venue.

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12/06/2017 11:47 AM

Why don't they just outlaw all dangerous activities so we can all die from boredom....and obesity,,,,hey, you gonna' eat that?

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12/06/2017 11:41 PM

“Life is like riding a bicycle. To keep your balance you must keep moving. A.E.”

But officer it’s an “expression”.
Sorry sir. I’ll need to see your license and proof of insurance.

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12/06/2017 1:32 PM

Lawyers . . . gotta love them.

I wonder how long it will take for the Europeans to tire of the the heavy hand of bureaucracy? Or have their collective wills been beaten down?

Maybe Brexit might fix this issue, at least for the U.K.

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12/07/2017 9:47 AM

They won't tire of it. It's been part of European life for far too long...slowly imposed and gradually expanded so it's normal. Besides, the thought of self reliance is too scary now, it's more comforting for them to know that the over bearing state will protect them from doing anything remotely risky.

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12/07/2017 2:01 PM

that's my reaction too

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12/07/2017 4:57 AM

Does this mean that I will need to insure my ride on lawn mower as it states that all motor vehicles will need insurance? What about classic cars being rebuilt, when does it become a motor vehicle from a heap of bits or will it have to be insured even though it can't be driven.

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01/02/2018 12:33 AM

California has a big book: the CALIFORNIA VEHICLE CODE that defines everything about vehicles BUT what constituted one in the past. I pointed that out to the authorities and they came up with a definition:

A vehicle is a device by which any person or property may be propelled, moved, or drawn upon a highway, excepting a device moved exclusively by human power or used exclusively upon stationary rails or tracks.

The next hurdle is the definition of HIGHWAY: It is a way or place of whatever nature publically maintained and open to the use of the public for purposes of vehicular travel.

This then would exclude racing courses not utilizing the public roads like Long beach, etc.

Europe might have problems for their rallies in that they are often public roads.

The California definition ALSO presents the possibility of any vehicle not ALLOWED or capable of being used upon the public streets to therefore NOT be required to be licensed. IE: NO muffler, tires not street legal, etc.

Now if your vehicle isn't insured, You CAN file a form stating that you'll not allow the vehicle to so much as touch a street and so avoid having it insured. If you don't file these papers, the DMV will SUSPEND your registration until you have insurance and pay a $16.00 fine, There's another approach: one can pay for a non operating permit what stops the requirement to register and insure the car until you want to start over.

Sounds like California has sorted out this problem much better than Jolly Olde!

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