Wow. Something that actually appears to make sense. Let's hope it's contagious.

The question I have is.. how to get a job working (coughing) on off road trails and what kind of company vehicle do I get?

Pretty sweet gig.

I traveled over most all of Arizona's deserts and mountains for over 10 years, starting in 1978.

It was a great experience and I was always mindful of the terrain and never blazed my own trails, except on flat desert where no damage was done.

Then, in the 80's the idiots came along and major damage was inflicted in areas that had to be closed off for years because of erosion and stupidity of the dirt bikers, sand rails and macho 4 wheel drive boys who wanted to climb things and go where no one had gone before, just to prove that they had a bigger, better, badder rig.

I also lived just outside of Brice Canyon/Zion in southern Utah for 6 months. Beautiful, unspoiled country.

I hate to think what will happen to it the pristine country now that the mindless hordes have been given license to destroy it.

HB 143 just opens the flood gates for the masses, with no restrictions on where these vehicles are allowed to travel. One hopes that this minor detail is addressed somewhere in existing statutes.

Would you know of a study of just two areas : time rate of complete destruction of a desert site and materials deposited upon desert land and long term impacts. This could include fluids, general human debris and tire rubber.

" a study of just two areas"? By whom? For what purpose? Why just two areas? You can do the search if you want to.

I have related my personal, long term, experiences in areas which I visited numerous times over the years that were closed by the USFS due to dumping of trash, erosion of hillsides, decimation of desert flora and I assume the wildlife as well, the blazing of new trails in ever more rugged terrain, just for grins and target shooting in well traveled areas into TV's refrigerators, dressers, and various other junk left behind by dumpers and others just out for a good time.

Please feel free to disbelieve any of what I said, if you believe it is just my imagination.

With your knowledge base, I thought you might have some links.

There is lytle creek, a beautiful area that may be permanently ruined everything and anything blasted apart by idiots with guns. 40 plus years of damage.

Gilman springs road, hills scared up by years of off road activity, even though its been declared hands off, the chp tickets someone at least once a week.

There are parks for this activity, already.

P.s. I am on the same page, as you on this.

Couldn't find much damage reports on Lytle Creek or Gilman Springs Road.

The "Church" of Scientology did try to close the Gilman Springs road once.

Where I grew up there is a patch of land that is favored by off road users, but it doesn't get lots of use.

It's not legal which ironically keeps it in pristine condition.

I've made my own road a time or two, but I enjoy hiking.

AZ, UT, NM and Navada are particularly well suited for off road activities.

-Don't shred on me-