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Law Leaves Renewables Twisting in Wind

Posted January 12, 2008 8:34 AM

The energy bill signed into law by President George W. Bush on December 19, 2007 requires the first increase in automotive fuel efficiency in 32 years, phases out incandescent light bulbs by 2014, and establishes new efficiency standards for consumer appliances. The statute also creates a new Renewable Fuel Standard that requires annual use of 7.5 billion gallons of ethanol and biodiesel in the nation's fuel supply by 2012, but where's the beef for the electrical renewables? Production tax credits were not renewed for wind and solar, threatening to stall continued growth of these fossil fuel replacements. How can a meaningful national energy policy exclude contributions from these renewable energy sources?

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01/13/2008 4:13 AM

Here in the UK, total life costs for various electricity generation systems were published by the government last week.

They clearly show that offshore wind power - the only type which can get permission in our small island - cost up to 2.5 times the cost of oil or gas production. Nuclear, as used by 80% of France's production, is somewhere in the middle.

It is not sensible to pump money / tax credits etc into renewable generation, until the development phase of ecconomically viable systems has brought their costs and efficiencies more into line with other technologies.

For the UK, where we have sea currents and large tidal ranges all around us I am appalled that we spend so little developing tidal current turbines and tidal barrages, both of which are very promising technologies. The energy density of flowing water will always be much much better than wind, and tides are predictable years in advance.

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01/13/2008 11:27 PM

It is quite explainable: the current administration (like most former ones) get an enormous contribution from the non-renewable energy brokers. (oil, coal, and natural gas) If they renewable sources replace the non-renewable one where will these people get their future jobs and "golden parachutes" from?

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01/14/2008 2:44 AM

Yes, and to extend the theory: If the politicians, who know little or nothing of science and engineering, are looking for advice, the people they go to are the ones who own the big existing companies.

Hence the advice they receive is based on what is best for - you guesssed it- THE BIG EXISTING COMPANIES.

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01/14/2008 10:00 AM

You wrote: How can a meaningful national energy policy exclude contributions from these renewable energy sources?

Well, the answer is simple really...you are assuming that those involved in the creation of such a policy want it to be meaningful when in actuallity they only want it to appear that they are trying to make things better. It helps keep the lemmings in line. If you tell people time and time again how much you are doing to help make us less dependant on fossil fuels, then many people will start to believe the mantra. It is very unfortunate that with all the resources at our disposal in the U.S. we don't exploit the renewable ones more.

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01/14/2008 6:35 PM

Dear JimR79: You wrote, "It is very unfortunate that with all the resources at our disposal in the U.S. we don't exploit the renewable ones more."

It is not unfortunate, it is criminal.

The Energy brokers and corporations that keep them in power and influence will and have done any thing including commit murder to keep their power base. For reference Google Stanley Meyer and find out about his murder over keeping the status quo.

I am concerned that the only thing that will end this stranglehold is an open rebellion. Unless the common person get over their laziness and complacency and forces the issue it will remain in the hands of a few individuals to make the difference.

If you will not stand for something, you will fall for anything. The consumers have fallen for the lies and tricks of the Power brokers for nearly a century. I am pessimistic about humans waking up too late.

It will be interesting to see how the next hundred years progresses.

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01/15/2008 1:36 AM

Here in San Diego, the big push for photovoltaic is going on Strong! I do not know how the non union is approaching it (the technology) but my Union is going in with both barrels blazing. We have All kinds of classes to teach both journeymen and apprentices about this technology - there is class time during the week and then on the weekend (saturdays most of the time) the "students" go to a house or a business and participate in the installation of an array. Wind? Maybe in the mountains... the upper desert for sure.

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01/22/2008 4:30 PM

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01/24/2008 12:07 AM

Affiliate with ?????? Here in So Cal you can look up any IBEW local chapter (International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers) adn find out through them which contractors to hit up. For training, they can turn you towards the local training center where PV classes are available for Journeymen and apprentices alike. Cheers The IBEW is nation wide here in the U.S. and can also be found in Canada.

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