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Corrosion in Alloy Pipe

05/15/2015 9:40 AM

I would like to know if there are some reference for the corrosion tolerance in the scheduled calculation. I was looking the ASME B31.1 and it do not indicated any valor.

If for calculated the scheduled in a steam pipe.

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05/15/2015 9:45 AM

The corrosion allowance is whatever the present wall thickness is minus the minimum calculated wall thickness.

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05/18/2015 1:41 PM

Making certain I'm reading this right: The OP is not finding a calculation for corrosion allowance in the code because there is no calculation for corrosion allowance in the code. The code only provides a calculation for minimum wall thickness. Any corrosion allowance is provided solely at the discretion of the designing party, and only through the employment of their judgment, or plant standards, or whatever else.

Is that a correct understanding?

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05/22/2015 7:15 AM

Any corrosion allowance is provided solely at the discretion of the designing part.

Nope! it is given by the calculation of the minimum wall and the current wall thickness. ASME gives either the calculation or/and the minimum wall. I ran many crews in refinery's doing corrosion analysis to forecast the replacement of the pipe or vessel and in every case the unit was replaced WAY before the unit hit minimum wall. You have to live with insurance companies and lawyers.

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05/22/2015 10:08 AM

OP was requesting corrosion allowance for steam pipe, and even cited the standard, please read before you react. I quoted an excerpt to indicate what should be done in allowing for some corrosion over the projected life of the project.

Please note also, that one cannot arbitrarily add thickness to the pipe schedule in highly stressed areas, as the extra thickness will result in problems with differential stresses on the pipe wall.

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05/22/2015 10:52 AM

Never had a failure in over 40 years. Everything done was to ASME. Shell, Monsanto , Gulf and many others. They designed the piping systems as well as the vessel systems all we did was to make/inspect it to specifications. Corrosion survey was typically carried out over a 2 year period where the rate was established by depreciation over several inspections based on usage of the pipe or vessel. This established a rate so the suggested replacement time was based on that rate.

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05/22/2015 12:19 PM

Ron: Sure that works in the oil patch, and it is a great rule of thumb when initial corrosion rates (and perhaps the latter rates also) are unknown, but guessed at.

The system designer engineers (if worth their salt corrosion) would have already designed the corrosion thickness into the pipe.

What you are doing is measuring the existing pipe in situ as compared to spec min wall, then extrapolating time to failure based upon thickness loss in X years. That is a perfectly fine way, since no one can really predict failure point, as corrosion rates will increase or decrease over time due to changing factors (including retention/deposition of corrosion products that may inhibit further loss of metal).

But thanks for filling me in on O&G practices with respect to offshore or even onshore operations.

I think the term you were shooting for rather than "usage" of the pipe or vessel is termed "wastage", since the material is wasted away.

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05/23/2015 12:44 PM

I am talking about a335 p91 pipe, in my company are telling i can use 0 mm but i an worry because i think that in 25 years can affect the corrosión.The problem is the asme b31.1 only say The designer choose this valor and i have not argumentación for use 1 mm that always have used.

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05/15/2015 6:16 PM

What alloy are we talking about? I think most of the alloys used for steam piping would have about the same corrosion rate as carbon steel in the same environment. Therefore, they would probably have about the same corrosion allowance.

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05/18/2015 3:01 PM

It depends on the steam temperature and pressure, as to what alloy is permitted for use. Corrosion allowance changes with the alloy type. One should not in general increase the thickness of piping much above the minimum without also calculating the effects the increased thickness has on stress/cycling of the metal. This is not done lightly. Here is an interesting article on this (with corrosion allowance values for various process fluids), but this may not be specific enough.

http://www.wermac.org/materials/corrosion_allowance.html

"As far as I know, there is no corrosion allowance exactly specified in ASME B31.3. Corrosion allowances are normally established by the end user and are somewhat based on personal preferences and industry tradition. 1.5 mm for piping is a common standard, but you are free to set a corrosion allowances you wish, unless a state or local agency has adopted and superceded B31.3. To specify the pipe, add the corrosion allowance to the minimum design thickness and select a pipe schedule that is equal to or greater than the minimum + corrosion allowance"-copied from the above link.

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