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Earth Fault on Auxiliary Transformers

05/30/2015 7:54 AM

Dear All,

Hope that you are fine. We are running a Power Plant.I want to ask about the Earth Fault on Auxiliary Transformers that resulted in the tripping of one of the transformer that Resulted in tripping of Auxiliary of Turbine Generator and our Turbine- Generator Tripped and Blackout Occurred.

Actually Grid Circuit Breaker was opened 1 second before the auxiliary Transformer on Power Swing/ Vector Surge and Earth Faults also came on Grid Transformer. My Question is that when Grid Circuit breaker isolated the Turbine Generator Set how is it possible that our Turbine Generator Set was tripped and Earth Fault came on Auxiliary Transformers?

Our Turbine-Generator should come on Home Load. Please Help.

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Re: Earth Fault on Auxiliary Transformers

05/30/2015 8:55 PM
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Re: Earth Fault on Auxiliary Transformers

05/31/2015 1:13 AM

First of all I am not a protection specialist so what I am saying it's my general opinion.

Usually, between a generator and the step-up transformer no breaker is provided.

Also, usually, the system at generator voltage level is ungrounded so Earth Fault trip directly is not - logically- possible [has to be at first a warning of first-to-ground fault ].

However, a vector surge relay could detect the islanding situation of a generator and to stop the generation. I this case -without an actually ground fault-a ground fault on auxiliary transformer could be signalized with no reason.

I don't think the Grid Circuit Breaker could trip on a Earth fault on the auxiliary transformer,

but since we don't know what it was the actual reason this could be the source of the entire

scenario.

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Re: Earth Fault on Auxiliary Transformers

05/31/2015 3:39 AM

Dear All. thanx for valuable comments. We have installed relay 7sj6025 on auxiliary trafo and I have downloaded the fault logging of relay by digsi software of Siemens. It is not showing any trip. We are not reaching the root cause. Any valuable comment is needed. Because DCS history is showing that auxiliary oil pump and Motor operated valves stopped which is feeding by same auxiliary trafo and resulted in turbine generator tripping

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Re: Earth Fault on Auxiliary Transformers

06/01/2015 2:59 PM

Most all of what I am about to say is IMHO (in my humble opinion). Every generating unit has control switchgear that either makes intial phase in with grid possible (if on a grid that is interconnected and is actually not a stand-alone power island). There are also other switches (86 relay, dV/dt switch, etc.) that can drop the unit "offline" in a couple of milliseconds. Most generating units also have a start-up auxilliary transformer, and a main transformer.

IF the unit is still on aux. transformer while the field breaker opens, then oil auxilliaries continue, etc. With some luck, the field breaker may be phased back in and re-closed, if conditions are suitable.

IF the unit has been online, and the actual field transformer trips, resulting in power turbine trip, there should be a fast transition (by instrument relays) back to aux. transformer. If the aux. transformer cannot supply power to the unit auxilliaries (it is receiving no power) then the unit will continue to hold in a tripped state, and can be damaged if there is no backup source of oil pressure (unless there is contained oiled bearings for short duration spin-down on a magnetic bearing system).

Ground faults are a typical result in that the auxilliary is now not actually connected to anything since its source of power is dead and isolated (the field transformer). In these situations, common is no longer "common". The only ground available to the sensing and instrumentation circuitry is hard earth ground, which may or may not exist at all points, and even if it does, there can be shifts of potential due to surges in shorting current on the "common" line.

I hope in attempting to clarify the situation I have done the reverse and simply muddied the water.

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