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Ever Wonder Where that Thunder is Coming From?

06/23/2015 2:54 PM

Here's a real-time (ok, delayed 7-8 seconds, there's a lot of computing going on) map of lightning strokes as they occur, it even shows the thunder as an ever increasing circle from the source:

http://www.lightningmaps.org/realtime

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06/23/2015 3:07 PM

That's pretty cool.

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06/23/2015 3:09 PM

nice find....

(ok, delayed 7-8 seconds, ...

about the time it takes for lighting to travel a mile...... well technical actually its about 5 seconds.

  1. about 1100 feet per second
  2. While you see the visible flash of lightning almost instantaneously, the sound of the thunder travels at a speed of 1,087 feet per second or about 1 mile in 5 seconds. For every 5 seconds between the time you observe the lightning and the time you hear the thunder, the lightning flash is 1 mile away.
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06/23/2015 3:23 PM

WOW! The toolbar at the top really jazzes it up!

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06/23/2015 3:24 PM

Wow - what a find! Well done. Stored as a favorite. Not sure what I'll do with it, but fun to watch.

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06/23/2015 3:35 PM

The toolbar button for "stations" shows how they link. It must be the EMP that they pick up and triangulate.

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06/23/2015 3:51 PM

Cool tech....

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06/23/2015 4:04 PM

Just in time. Severe t-storms are predicted for New England this afternoon

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06/23/2015 4:10 PM

Awesome link.

I also bookmarked it.

This is something I will use at my work. I work on the cranes on top of the Las Vegas hotels (including The Stratosphere). If we have bad weather in the area, I will be checking that site before going out to the job site!

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06/23/2015 6:23 PM

This is really cool. I will watch it next time a storm comes through.

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06/23/2015 11:24 PM

I repeat everyone else's WOW! That's great! Thanks for bringing it to our attention!

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06/24/2015 3:48 AM

Pity we have no ranking tool for this, like GA. In any event, NICE ONE, and thanks...

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06/24/2015 5:58 AM

You can rate the thread; look right at the top:-

Someone else has rated this thread 4 stars and I have now rated it 5 stars so the average is 4½: why not boost it a bit more.

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06/24/2015 6:03 AM

Done!

Thanks for teaching the blind man where to pee!

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06/24/2015 2:12 PM

Mutually beneficial....

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06/24/2015 5:56 AM

How cool! My thoughts , after watching for a bit, was how much energy is being released?

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06/24/2015 6:29 AM

Fantastic. Bookmarked.

I have a theory about the type of thunder, long rolling soft waves as opposed to sharp crack. could this be caused by the direction of the lightning strike? I imagine sound is emitted as the end of the lightning moves through the air heating it. If the strike is moving away, the close end emits the sound first and is well on it's way before sound finishes at the farthest distance from you, so the sound is drawn out, or rolling. If the strike is towards you, the sound emitted first travels with the source of the sound, and we hear a crack.

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06/24/2015 11:00 AM

I noticed a difference in the sound for cloud-to-cloud and ground-to-cloud thunder. From my location near Chicago the night before last, the majority was cloud-to-cloud in the southern sky. This event involved seven tornados to the south. I whish I had had this site then.

The circles radiating outwards indicate the sound wave front.

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06/24/2015 12:11 PM

Interesting theory! Just offhand, it sounds logical. I plan to answer in much more detail , but don't have time right now...

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06/24/2015 1:58 PM

It's a stretch, more than likely it has to do with the type of stroke, whether it's cloud to cloud (low rumbling), or a cloud to ground (crack). It's unlikely that acoustically you could differentiate the exact origin of the leading edge of the stroke because the entire event takes place at the speed of light and lasts but a few microseconds.

We hear the "low rumbling in the distance" because the stroke takes place higher up and the stroke is more or less parallel to the ground, so if we're at anything other than at a right angle to the stroke the sound will travel through more attenuation (the clouds) and seem more muffled.

A sharp crack is heard because we're usually closer to the origin, always at right angles to it, and it only has to travel through free air to us, plus our primitive brain has made the correlation between the bright flash, the impending sound, and the flight-reaction.

Then there's "heat lightning" where you see the cloud to cloud discharge but hear no sound, that's because the stroke is so far away (up to 100 miles) that the sound has damped out long before it reaches us, but the flash bounces of the clouds for miles around.

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06/25/2015 2:18 PM

"I imagine sound is emitted as the end of the lightning moves through the air heating it." Agreed.

According to Wiki/Univ of Florida, The front of lightning strikes move at an average of 440,000 m/s. This means that a stroke moves around 440 m in one millisecond, so the direction of travel can't have much effect.

On the other hand, analyze the following, and apply the conclusions to lightning:

About three years ago, the remnants of a significant meteor/bolide landed about 7 miles northwest from my home. The pulsating sound created by this event lasted at least a couple of minutes, sufficient that I went outside to see what I could see. Of course what I saw was nothing whatsoever! I tried to determine the direction of the source of the sound, and it seemed to be coming from the southeast. I live in hilly country, with a ridge to my north, so of course distant sounds are diffracted by and reflected from the hills and ridges.

Of course a meteor is traveling vastly faster than the speed of sound, even at the last moments of its trajectory. If there was indeed an explosion of the meteor, that explosion would have occurred many miles away (now known to have been at least 60 miles). It may not be immediately obvious to many that if I could hear the sound of the explosion, that sound would likely be the LAST sound I heard. The first sound I heard would clearly be the sound that traveled the shortest distance. The shortest distance is of course the perpendicular line between my location and the line of the trajectory; in my case that was about 6 miles, so the first sound took about 30 seconds to reach me. See drawing.

It was about 3.3 miles from that closest point to the point of impact. Guessing that the meteor was traveling around 10,000 mph during the last seconds of its trajectory, it would have taken 3.3/10000 of an hour, or roughly 1.2 seconds for the meteor to travel that last 3.3 miles. The sound of impact had to travel 7 miles to reach me, which would take about 35 seconds. It would thus be about 36.2 seconds after the meteor passed its closest point that I could hear the sound of impact. Subtracting the 30 seconds the initial sound took to reach me, I would have heard the impact about 6 seconds after the first sound.

This means that during 6 seconds, I was hearing sounds produced BOTH before and after the meteor passed its closest point to me. After hearing the sound of impact, I would then be hearing sounds produced more than 2.4 seconds BEFORE closest pass. If, as I think, I continued hearing sound for about 2.5 minutes, then the last sounds I heard came from roughly 30 miles away. Since photographs and videos showed pieces of the bolide over Reno, about 70 miles from my home, I probably did not hear any sounds from the explosion.

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06/24/2015 9:35 AM

I saw Satan falling from heaven as lightning

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06/24/2015 9:37 AM

He told me he saw you watching him....

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06/24/2015 10:47 AM

As long as I don't see my ex-wife circling on her bicycle in the sky right above, all is well.

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06/24/2015 3:24 PM

There's probably "an app for that" I just haven't found it yet!

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06/25/2015 3:28 AM

I think the detection network is a bit geographically limited.

Loads of monitoring stations in US and EU according to that map which both seem to be having a lot of lightning occuring at present. but here in monsoon season Asia its clear skies, even Singapore.

My window is lying to me it seems, I'll draw the curtains to stop truth getting in the way of fantasy.

It will become a better toy/tool with more stations in the network.

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