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World Population Sustainability Without Oil

08/04/2015 11:31 PM

How did our global population get to grow so large? Is it all because of oil? How Sustainable is the present level of world population without oil? What can we expect in future strive and should we attempt to quit oil "cold turkey"?

http://www.paulchefurka.ca/Population.html

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08/04/2015 11:49 PM

So far I know we can not eat oil. I guess the oil was part of a bigger scheme which is mechanisation of crop growing. More food more people.

You take oil away you will have to find a fuel replacement for the big machinery.

Nobody will attempt an "oil turkey". The undefined "we" suggest you do not think for yourself but want it look to like you think for all of us.

You don't!

We will keep going. And if you ask why it is: because!

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08/05/2015 12:33 AM

Yellowstone may kill us first.

Lack of oil will not be our demise.

Who is this Paul Chefurka? A stoner?

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08/06/2015 7:49 PM

As I have said previously, I refuse to fly across the Pacific on a plane with windmills on the wings…I may be proven wrong in the future, but that is what makes life so fun to look forward to...

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08/05/2015 12:38 AM

Energy is the boiler plate of the economy...whether it's oil or nuclear or solar and wind, it's interchangeable...as long as we have plenty there is the no need to worry....and studies have shown that as an economy matures, the population levels off....the only real population growth is in Africa, where prosperity is lacking among the general population....We are and have been reducing our dependence on oil for some time now...I look to new nuclear power plant designs to play a big part in our energy future, together with solar and wind, and natural gas, and bio-fuels, we have plenty...Make no mistake we will continue to use oil for many many years, but we will be less dependent on it as a primary energy source....

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08/05/2015 10:12 AM

Without the good Colonel's discovery at Titusville, we would have continued using coal. We would probably now, if we survived the pollution from that energy source, be drilling wells in coal country and chemically flushing out the remnant coal stringers we couldn't mine. Remember, the first powered tractors were steam powered. So, yes, the growth would most likely have occurred without oil. Can you imagine the pollution issue we would have if we used coal as much as we have used oil?

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08/05/2015 12:21 PM

Don't have to imagine it, I can remember it....

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08/05/2015 2:34 PM

Yeah -but- all the cars and all the planes, some houses, and even some trains are running on oil when this pic was taken. Add coal fired steam generators to those things and what you see there gets very much worse.

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08/05/2015 1:21 PM

Resources will limit our populations much the way it does in the 'natural' world. It just so happens that the human population has been on an upward growth trend for much if not all of our recorded history. It would be foolish to assume that it will always be positive growth. Hard to say when that will happen but it will.

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08/05/2015 3:43 PM

Population is predicted to hit around 11 billion by 2100...mostly increasing in Africa and some in Asia...

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/09/140918141446.htm

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08/05/2015 11:09 PM

Countries with large population if spending more money on defence, nuclear warheads,space research,attacking other countries while not feeding their own population should be suspended from UN until they enforce family planning and reduce arms related expenditure.

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08/06/2015 12:39 AM

Suspension from the UN will only upset the gravy train of a handful of career bureaucrats from the countries identified by your criteria.

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08/06/2015 1:38 AM

Then impose economic sanctions,arms embargo etc and try leaders for human rights violations,murder,genocide,ethnic cleansing etc and take over their wealth and try in world court if they say they have sovereignty of state ,they have authority to do anything etc. .

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08/06/2015 4:01 AM

You need world governance and uniform laws for that to happen.

Who will be the King of Mondo?

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08/06/2015 4:06 AM

If NATO can attack Iraq,Libya,Syria,Egypt etc why can't they do it to asian countries too.

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08/06/2015 5:35 AM

Because they aren't directly bordering I guess.

SEA was a bit of a mess in the 60s and 70s...

..... and through into the 90s and even this century in some parts. I figure Asia got over it and got on with business.

No pushing now, everybody gets a turn...

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08/06/2015 6:01 AM

Spike Milligan:

Copulation = population = pollution

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08/06/2015 6:54 AM

Why does there always have to be a crisis for the UN to address? What a bunch of gunk!

https://overpopulationisamyth.com/overpopulation-the-making-of-a-myth

At least 40% of food produced is wasted and not consumed:

http://www.worldfooddayusa.org/food_waste_the_facts

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08/06/2015 12:36 PM

That seems to me to be a well-balanced update on http://www.albartlett.org/presentations/arithmetic_population_energy.html from 1969.

Fortunately, 'they' are making great strides in more direct use of solar energy. Remember that oil is simply solar energy stored for us by the plants and animals eons ago. The decline in the availability of oil is indeed inevitable, if not easily predictable. almost 50 years ago, Dr. Bartlett had no idea how much new oil would be found, nor how new technologies would contribute to its extraction, but his basic concepts were, and remain, correct.

I presume that the decline in availability of petroleum energy will sooner or later result in a return to the use of nuclear energy of one form or another. (Of course solar energy IS nuclear energy.)

I really appreciate many technical advances, especially including this computer I'm typing on and the internet that distributes such an incredible amount of information, yet I highly doubt if the world will be as enjoyable for the next few generations as it was for most of mine...

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